Discussion in 'Transformers Toy Discussion' started by Boardwise, Feb 23, 2011.
Ok, this morning I wasn’t selling my ace toys tumblr (MP cliffjumper) but now I am, having just picked up MMC Hellion so he’s yours boxed & complete for £30 tfn pick up?
not enough booze in the world... welcome
I’ll be honest, I have no use for The Boys, comics or show. Another deconstruction of superhero antics? Been there, done that. We’ve done Watchmen, we’ve had the Dark Knight return, just give me a stack of Squirrel Girl comics to curl up in.
Thanks. I had no booze, but I just cleansed my pallette with the opening 5 minutes of Bumblebee. Was it really so hard to do a transformers film, Bay? Get in the fucking sea.
Agreed, all that deconstructing and grounding everything in reality can shit off as it takes away everything fun and escapist about the genre.
The Joel Schumacher Batman films may have been shite overall but they weren't as ashamed of their own origins as the Nolanverse so even today I can still get some enjoyment from them. And it's not like the Tim Burton movies didn't have their dark elements but there was still a strong sense of fun...Jack Nicholson turning the overacting up to 11 in the 1989 movie and then a sequel with Danny DeVito riding a giant duck and commanding an army of real penguins with rockets on their backs....Brilliant!
I found Watchmen to be a similarly joyless experience as Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. Movies like that should come with health warnings 'cos they're so morose....I want to leave a cinema feeling better than before I went in, not worse.
There's no known substance that's strong enough to get me to watch a Bay movie again and I've only ever seen the first two
I thought the main problem with the series is being only 8 episodes it only feels like half a season - unlike some shows that drag out a storyline over too long I would have liked a bit more. At least season 2 is commissioned and filming.
Speaking of... just watching Bumblebee for the first time since the cinema. Really is a solid little film.
For me I can understand the deconstructionist experimentation but it always seem to interrogate the idea of superheroes to the same end: They aren't real, they can't be real. Well, yes, but as I believe Moviebob aptly summed it up on Twitter recently regarding Superman I'm paraphrasing but the main gist of what he wrote was 'The fantasy part of Superman is What if someone with that much power was actually still a good person'.
All this deconstruction and there still isn't, at least to my knowledge, a 'grounded' superhuman abilities in the real world or a how would a Batman-style vigilante work in the real world because instead they all seem to port over the spandex showoff fistfighting fantasy violence to still have but tut-tut at the thrills. I think the nearest genre thing might be the series Leverage, oh, and of course Person of Interest but that straight runs with the fantasy violence (with the usual heroes recovering far too easily from bullet wounds, etc.). IRL punching people in the face doesn't work (unless it's Nazis).
Where's the film/series extrapolating how a Bruce Wayne-level resources fellow would actually operate as an IRL (or close to it, we're still talking fiction here) vigilante with a code of justice with no-killing - aaaand I've just realised why it'd totally be a Socialist/Anarchist Utopian fantasy because he'd have to be the head of a Social Enterprise/Collective (he couldn't be a Bezos he'd be paying fair wages and thus not a multi-billionaire at least on paper) secretly coordinating a collective of folk investigating organised crime, working against poverty, and against corruption in administration and law enforcement to get the gangs he was dismantling actually arrested and convicted!
It'd basically be The Wire with a fantastical element, and, uh, I'd actually totally watch that!
Definitely need city bots now for your micromachines and penny racers.
Hi bill. Welcome to the thread of enablement.
I guess the closest to that would be the mick ass films? But even that has a minigun toting jetpack in the climax.
Just been to see hobbs and shaw. Bloody awesome film, now that is something that is having fun, an shows in the performances. And to think, this franchise started as a simple tale about some street racers stealing tv and hifi from delivery trucks. It now has cars punching submarines and
a terminator driving a transformer bike. Yes, this movie features a transforming bike. Not a robot mode, but it transforms. And drives itself.
Damn i love what this franchise has become.
Nice work B, I watched the Last Knight and it felt like I'd been tranq'd and taken on a surrealist funfair. Not pleasant and dreamy at all. Just a lot of shouting and things tipping over.
Well the Nolan Batman films aren't really deconstructions, as while they're all grounded in reality the Batman character (and indeed, the villains) are pretty close to how they've always been. A bit darker perhaps, but not to absurd levels.
As for the Watchmen film, well, it's certainly Zack Snyder's best superhero movie, though that's kinda damning with faint praise. And as for being dark, well, yeah, the story revolves around the literal end of civilisation. The original comic is better, because obviously it is, and still just about holds up today as pretty much the gold standard of superhero deconstructions.
The same can not be said for The Dark Knight Returns, which is most certainly a product of its time. I came to it quite late, and found it profoundly mediocre. Mostly because the lessons that TDKR teaches were absorbed into mainstream superhero stories really quickly. In essence, you've seen and heard all of TDKR's tricks already, even if you've never actually read it. Apart from perhaps the lady with swastika nipples. And hell, the Steve Bell-level satire on Ronald Reagan is just... tiresome at this point.
The 90s were spent following TDKR's lead in the most basic, facile way, with 'gritty' heroes that swore, chomped on cigars and suffocated in their own muscle mass while murdering any villain they came across, because lol thats what a reel heroo do. Then in the 2000s the comics industry took a more sober look at the concept of the superhero with the lessons of Watchmen and TDKR in mind, reconstructing the superhero but at the same time grounding them with recognisable human attitudes and concepts.
As much as people laud Squirrel Girl for being escapist and harkening back to the carefree days of the Silver Age, I don't agree. I think it's a very modern take on what a superhero is, all based deep down on the idea that under the costume is Doreen Green, and Doreen Green (mostly) talks and behaves like an actual person would do. She just wants to hang out with her pals and live her life. It's a fun, lighthearted comic, but Doreen is ultimately a recognisable person, someone you can imagine meeting. As much as deconstructions like TDKR and The Boys might hype themselves as being what superheroes would really be like if they were really real in the real world, I find them no more relatable or accessible than, say Superman in the Silver Age. And he did shit like this:
Also finished The Boys. Great TV. Loved it. Started Doom Patrol this evening which was ok.
Mort Weisinger was a very weird guy!
For my money, Doom Patrol is up there with the absolute best of the TV comic adaptations. So happy it’s getting a second season.
I'm also letting go of a few more bits if interested!
CJESIM cloak for Figuarts Doctor Strange - £20 posted
Re:Edit Iron Patriot (I love him, I just need to avoid getting the whole line!) - £150 posted
Well, slightly less tongue in cheek, a real one:
Any interest in a loose, compete Siege Cog?
£15 posted in the Uk Or £12 at TFN?
Intresting points!...think I may have got The Dark Knight Returns mixed up with The Dark Knight movie so apologies there, I don't have a lot of history with comic reading , certainly with the DC side of things but every time I see the phrase "grounding in reality" from someone associated with a comic book movie I cringe because it comes across like they're embarrassed to be making something in the genre.
With movies and TV shows I want to forget about reality for a bit and lose myself into the fantastical aspects, I have no need to relate to the characters or have things be like real life , I just want some escapism, whether it's a talking tree and raccoon or a character who's aware he's fictional and breaks the 4th wall all the time or someone with squirrel powers or whatever else, I just find the (for want of a better term) "DC approach" to be the opposite of what I want from a comic book movie, or any movie for that matter, I want to feel good at the end of something, not be dragged down to whatever level of misery the director had his characters portray.
The only real exception with a darker tone in the genre for me was Netflix Daredevil which I'd happily have watched more of but that wasn't so much due to the tone as it was how much I liked Matt Murdock and Wilson Fisk. And Stick, who's my favourite mentor character ever
This is what they will be retitled when Disney finally owns all Intellectual property. Either that, or it's the Irish version...
Fucking love TLK me, in a very knowing that it's a shambles kind of way. Have said before, will say again, in all the worst best possible ways - plot all over the pace, dodgy pacing and stereotyping, dialogue existing purely to sound badass/funny without relevance and a general feeling of reckless abandon so long as it propels us to the credits - it's as close to a modern day live action G1 episode as you're ever likely to get.
Also, just been in an Iron Factory thread and my heart, that teaser pic..
...looks like we're getting a Star Saber and a Victory Leo.
I'm going to see if I can get my mouth extended via a backstreet dentist.
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