I'd think Cyclonus would be larger than a Seeker but I'm not sure how much larger. Not drastically I think.
I've never seen Cyclonus as just a jet fighter. He's more of a alien spacecraft IMO, so the cockpit isn't necessarily made for human sized beings.
Picture from Seibertron.com Dark of the Moon Skyhammer: 1/86 Scale Robot height = 45 ft Skyhammer doesn't appear to based directly on any real helicopter. The twin intakes above the cockpit are very similar to the Mi-24 Hind, but the cockpit shape is more reminiscent of a Eurocopter Tiger. Comparing the size of the cockpit to the size of the vehicle indicates that he's massive, so I think the Mi-24 is the best scale reference for Skyhammer. The Mi-24 is 57'4" long, so with the toy's 8" length, Skyhammer's scale is 1/86.
I'm thinking about 1/120 then. I put him in the same tier as Scourge, but I listed an alternate scale, as well. I hope that makes sense.
This took MUCH, much longer than I though it would, but I think it's worth it. Tackling the Legends versions should hopefully be straightforward after this. Dirtboss: 1/44 Scale Toy's Alt mode is 2.75”, while it's Bot mode is 3.5” The real GP40K Forklift is 121" (10’) meaning Dirtboss would be 154” (13’) tall. *the GP40K Forklift isn't an exact match, but should be close enough for scale purposes* Pic from TFW's Resources Mixmaster: 1/49 Scale *Mixmaster's has a similar alt mode to Megatron's, which necessitates the same method of measuring* Toy's Alt mode (from bumper to back of cab) is 2.5”, while it's Bot mode is 5.5” The real Mack Granite (from bumper to back of cab) is 122.5" (10’) meaning Mixmaster would be 270” (23’) tall. The full toy's alt size is 6.25", meaning the full Mack Granite's size is 306" (26') Pic from TFW's Resources Rampage: 1/92 Scale Toy's Alt mode is 5”, while it's Bot mode is 4.75” The real Komatsu D575A is 461" (38’) meaning Rampage would be 437” (36’) tall. **as far as I can tell, Rampage and Steamhammer do in fact have the same alt mode** Pic from TFW's Resources Long Haul: 1/96 Scale Toy's Alt mode is 6”, while it's Bot mode is 6.25” The real Caterpillar 797b is 576" (48’) meaning Long Haul would be 431” (36’) tall. Steamhammer: 1/115 Scale Toy's Alt mode is 4”, while it's Bot mode is 3.5” The real Komatsu D575A is 461" (38’) meaning Steamhammer would be 403” (34’) tall. Pic from TFW's Resources Scavenger/Demolishor: 1/128 Scale Toy's Alt mode is 3.75” tall, while it's Bot mode is 4.5” to top of head (8.25" if including the wheel suspended above) The real Terex RH400 is 401” (34’) meaning Scavenger/Demolishor would be 576” (48’) tall, or 1,056” (88’) if including the wheel suspended above. **see post #168 for why I'm going with height** RitchieSpecs Equipment Specifications has nice spec charts for farming/construction/mining-type vehicles, although it tends to use the same line drawing for all equipment of a certain type (i.e. all forklifts use the same line drawing).
According to the official size charts for the Transformers TV series Cyclonus stood about 22 feet tall at the bunny ears, but the TV series estimated them to be pretty small for jets.
Oh, for those interested, there is an official height for Metroplex given in the Japanese Comic Bom Bom which says he stands 800 meters tall. So I did some math and photo editing with a picture of the old New York skyline. This is how big Metroplex would be in New York: Of course he was also officiall given the height of 700 feet tall in a Marvel comic book, which is MUCH smaller.
True-Scale charts for the Constructicons and the Aerial Autobot Trio. Each bar represents 5 feet; a typical human would be just over the first bar: Pics are from Seibertron, TFW's Resources, or Hasbro's stock photos
Picture from Seibertron.com Universe Galvatron: 1/60 Scale Robot height = 28 ft At first glance, I believed that Galvatron was based on a Russian T-Series tank, but I couldn't find a model that was a really good fit. Fortunately, TFWiki, correctly, identified the inspiration for Galvatron as an Israeli Merkava tank (the armor skirts are the giveaway). The Galvatron toy's hull length is 5". Comparing this to the length of the actual Merkava's length of 24'9" gives us a scale of 1/60. Unfortunately, Galvatron doesn't really work well with any of the potential scales that we've identified for Cyclonus and Scourge.
yeah, the cabs have been designed to look like the same size person could fit into all of them (so far)...and for the most part, the vehicles are mostly in scale to each other...i think certain ones would be larger than others, but i think TFC has done a pretty good job of picking out the bigger versions of real life constructin vehicles to go together... i've guestimated there scale to be between HO and N scales...this is based on cab size more than anything, as picking out which version of their individual real life counterpart is based on is quite difficult since they come in wide range of sizes...
Picture from Seibertron.com Generations Kup: 1/34 Scale Robot height = 16 ft I'm not really well versed in cars, but it appears that the best match for Kup is the Chevy SSR. Comparing the SSR length of 191.4 inches with Generations Kup's length of 5.5 inches gives us a scale of 1/34.
Picture from Seibertron.com Generations Burr/Drift: 1/33 Scale Robot height = 16 ft The review Dave's Transformers Page identified the vehicle mode for Drift/Blurr as a race-modified Nissan GT-R. I'm very grateful that he was able to identify it, because I am not really a car guy and didn't have a good idea where to start. The Nissan GT-R is 183 inches long, and Blurr is right around 5.5 inches, so his scale is 1/33.
Pic from Seibertron Mixmaster (Legends): 1/102 Scale Toy's Alt mode is 3”, while it's Bot mode is 2.25” The real Mack Granite is 306” (26’) meaning Mixmaster would be 230” (19’) tall. Pic from Seibertron Long Haul (Combining Legends): 1/162 Scale Toy's Alt mode is 2.25”, while it's Bot mode is 2.375” The real Caterpillar 773B is 365” (30’) meaning Long Haul would be 385” (32’) tall. *This Long Haul, like the one in the movie, transforms into a much smaller dump truck than the concept art and other Long Haul toys* Rampage (Non-Combining Legends): 1/184 Scale Toy's Alt mode is 2.5”, while it's Bot mode is 2.75” with the leg(s) fully extended The real Komatsu D575A is 461” (38’) meaning Rampage would be 506” (42’) tall. However, since this Rampage typically has to fold his leg(s) into a foot to stand (and thus loosing a full .5" of height) he'd be 414” (35’) tall. Pic from Seibertron Rampage (Combining Legends): 1/184 Scale Toy's Alt mode is 2.5”, while it's Bot mode is 2.75” The real Komatsu D575A is 461” (38’) meaning Rampage would be 506” (42’) tall. Pic from Seibertron Scrapper (Legends): 1/205 Scale Toy's Alt mode is 3”, while it's Bot mode is 3.125” The real Caterpillar 992G is 614” (51’) meaning Scrapper would be 641” (53’) tall. Pic from Seibertron Overload (Legends): 1/232 Scale *Overload's a Komatsu HD465-7 that has been modified to be articulated* Toy's Alt mode's cab is 1.25”, while it's Bot mode is 2” The real Komatsu HD465-7's cab is 290” (24’) meaning Overload would be 464” (39’) tall. Toy's full size in alt mode is 3.25", so the full modified Komatsu HD465-7 would be 852“ (71’) Long Haul (Non-Combining Legends): 1/256 Scale Toy's Alt mode is 2.25”, while it's Bot mode is 2.75” The real Caterpillar 797B is 576” (48’) meaning Long Haul would be 704” (57’) tall. Pic from Seibertron Hightower (Legends): 1/257 Scale Toy's Alt mode is 1.75”, while it's Bot mode is 1.25” to top of the head and 4.75" in length with the "tail" fully extended The real Kobelco CK2500 is 450” (38’) meaning Hightower would be 321” (27’) tall and 1,221” (102’) in length. Pic from Seibertron Scavenger (Legends): 1/266 Scale Toy's Alt mode 1.125” wide, while it's Bot mode is 1.25” tall (2.5" including the wheel) The real Terex RH400 is 299” (25’) wide, meaning Scavenger would be 333” (28’) up to the top of the head; 665” (55’) up to the top of the top wheel. **see post #168 for why I'm going with width**
And now to finish the '86 movie bots...Wreck-gar Picture from Seibertron.com Generations Wreck-Gar/Junkheap: 1/34 Scale Robot height = 16 ft We could certainly use an actual dirt bike to determine the scale of Wreck-gar, but even though the Generations toy has a realistic looking alt mode, I think it is more reasonable to consider Wreck-gar and the Junkions to be bikes scaled for other Transformers. With a big thanks to Scaleface, we have a robot mode height reference that indicates that Wreck-gar should be a bit taller than Kup and Hot Rod. Earlier in the thread, we found that Rodimus is 12 ft. tall and that Kup is 16 ft. tall. Since Wreck-gar is crouched a bit in the picture, he should be a bit taller than Kup. However, the toys are the same height at 5.5 inches, and it makes sense to display them together, so I'm going to list Wreck-gar at the same 1/34 scale as Kup. To add an alternate view, the review on Dave's Transformers Page mentions that Wreck-gar looks good with a 6" action figure riding it, so that would make him 1/12 scale.
True-Scale charts for the Decepticon Jets and the Dreads. Each bar represents 5 feet; a typical human would be just over the first bar: Pics are from Seibertron, TFW's Resources, or Hasbro's stock photos; Hatchet's is from transformers-universe.com *Skystalker's purposely here twice; the smaller one is based on the BAE Corax's size, the larger is assuming Mindwipe's and Skystalker's toys are perfectly in scale with each other*
Pic from TFW's Resources Heavytread: 1/89 Scale Toy's Alt mode = 4” with the cannon; Toy's Bot mode = 4” Merkava tank = 356” (30’) Robot height = 356” (30’) Pic from TFW's Resources Smolder: 1/77 Scale Toy's Alt mode = 3.75”; Toy's Bot mode = 4.25” General Fire Equipment Brush Truck = 288” (24’) Robot height = 327” (27’) **The GFE truck isn't an exact match, in fact it has a fire hose built into it's bumper, but it's close enough for scale purposes** Tailwhip/Blazemaster: 1/76 Scale Toy's Alt mode = 7.125”; Toy's Bot mode = 5.125” Eurocopter AS365 Dauphin = 541” (45’) Robot height = 390” (33’)
