I don't know if this is any help, but I think this truck model is about what Huffer and Pipes is based on:
Dotm Deluxe Optimus Prime appears to be roughly 1/54 to 1/58 scale. Even better, the same applies to his robot mode.
great thread!...i too care more about alt scale..though it makes collecting a real pain, passing up figures you like because they don't fit into the scale you've focused on... for me, i didn't have many TFs to begin with, only MP Prime and Rodimus....i've always been more into collecting Joes and DCUC... then Hercules came along and i've now focused all my energy into scaling other TFs to him...this is not at all easy...and there has to be quite a bit of compromise... so anyway, i applaud your efforts here and will watch intently...
Wow. Maybe we were separated at birth/BotCon? I insist that figures be in scale in Alt-Mode. I think that sub-space and mass-shifting (which only can do so much) are nonsense.
And, you guys are doing awesome work. Don't care for concentrating on movie figs, but the information on the actual dimensions of the other alt-modes is invaluable.
I think this thread is great. I too, am bothered by the lack of scale but your detail to the measurements has me beat. Not putting anyone down for it. I just try to compare Alt modes and decide if the cockpit/interior seat could hold the same size person. The Alt mode is when they are "in disguise" and then the bot mode would be different, based on how they transformed (at least to me). Here's one that uses a mini-con 4 wheeler with my custom Steeljaw (which I display with my Generations Autobots). I love the Wreckgar toy but most bikes are too big The only time the size difference can work is if you take photos like this. In my little world I figure the Autobots would be "in Disguise" more and the Deceps wouldn't worry about disguise unless they were sneaking around. Thus the oversized animal forms. You're doing a great job. Keep it up.
Classics Rodimus - 1/28 Scale Robot mode height = 12 ft I always thought of Rodimus as simply a futuristic race car, so I was quite surprised when the review on Dave's Transformers Page identified the alt mode as a Dome Zero prototype supercar. Only missing the flames... The Dome Zero has a length of 156 inches, and with a length of 5.5 inches (ignoring the spoiler), Classics Rodimus is 1/28 scale.
I'm happy to know that I'm the only one, and I'm still hoping to concentrate more on Classics this weekend. I love the pictures, I'm hoping we get more like this as the thread grows. I've been debating about what to do with Wreckgar. As you point out, a dirt bike is pretty small. However, the Junkions always seemed to be motorcycles intended for autobot sized robots rather than humans, so I'm tempted in my universe to call Wreckgar a ~1/30 scale toy like Rodimus. I'm not sure where you found that, but that is great! I wish I had something like that for all of the alt modes. I'm unlikely to ever see a Hercules in person, but I'm very interested in your efforts to find toys in scale with that masterpiece. From pictures, it looks like they've made an effort to keep the cabs for the various construction vehicles at about the same size so they look like the scale is pretty consistent across the set. Is that how it looks in person?
Pic from TFW's Resources Blackout (Voyager): 1/108 Scale Toy's Alt mode is 9.75”, while it's Bot mode is 5.75” The real MH-53 Pave Low is 1,056" (88’) meaning Blackout would be 621” (52’) tall. **Blackout shrinks ridiculously in bot mode thanks to the tail not forming part of it** Pic from TFW's Resources Incinerator: 1/83 Scale Toy's Alt mode is 8.25”, while it's Bot mode is 6” The real V-22 is 688" (57’) meaning Incinerator would be 498” (42’) tall. Mindwipe: 1/93 Scale Toy's Alt mode is 8.5”, while it's Bot mode is 7.125” The real F-117 Nighthawk is 792" (66’) meaning Mindwipe would be 663” (55’) tall. Skystalker: 1/36 Scale Toy's Alt mode's wingspan is 6.5”, while it's Bot mode is 4.25” tall The real BAE Corax's wingspan is estimated to be up to 228" (19’) meaning Skystalker would be 153” (13’) tall. Let's say Skystalker is in scale with his partner Mindwipe (1/93) That would make his alt's wingspan be 581” (48’) while the bot mode would be 395” (33’) tall. The RQ-170 Sentinel (incidentally manufactured by Lockheed Martin just like Mindwipe's F-117, and bearing great resemblance to Skystalker's alt) has a wingspan of 1,020" (85’), so a UAV could certainly be of that size. Starscream (DotM Legion): 1/213 Scale Toy's Alt mode is 3.5”, while it's Bot mode is 2.75” The real F-22 is 744" (62’) meaning Starscream would be 584” (49’) tall. **Starscream's fairly consistent at being around 50' tall** *this is it for Movieverse Starscream from me, don't have the Deluxe* Just for giggles, since we know Cyberverse Starscream's scale we can calculate the size of this: Orbital Assault Carrier: 1/213 Scale The Toy sizes: - Assault Craft (mode seen in DotM) is 6” - Space Cruiser (aircraft carrier-type mode) is 7” - Battle Station (throne) is 5.25” in length and 4.25" in height Actual sizes: - Assault Craft (mode seen in DotM) would be 1,278” (107') - Space Cruiser (aircraft carrier-type mode) would be 1,491” (124') - Battle Station (throne) would be 1,118" (93') in length and 905" (75') in height
G1 Jetfire is based on the Bandai Macross 1/55th scale toy so Jetfire is by default also 1/55th scale.
Last one for today: 07Movie/Rotf Voyager Ironhide Mold - 1/36 to 1/37 Scale Robot Mode Height = 21 to 22 ft Edit: Kind of surprised how well the heights match up with the officially released info.
Just want to chime in and say while I don't give three f$%&%^ about four f%*#&ks about scale, this thread is fascinating nonetheless.
Picture from Seibertron.com Generations Scourge: 1/385 Scale or 1/34 Scale Robot height = 170 ft or 15 ft Picture from Seibertron.com Generations Cyclonus: 1/385 Scale or 1/34 Scale Robot height = 193 ft or 17 ft Generations Scourge is clearly based on the Boeing X-48B, but this is problematic from a scale standpoint because the X-48B is itself a scale model. The X-48 is a joint NASA - Boeing venture to test a blended wing body aircraft. Because of this, the X-48B that is being tested has a 21 ft wingspan which is a scaled version of a 240 ft conceptual design. The toy version of Scourge has a 7.5 in. wingspan, so Scourge can either be 1/34 scale replica of the model, or a 1/385 scale replica of the conceptual design. If we look at the Scourge toy in comparison to Universe Cyclonus, the window details on each look to be about the same size, so it seems reasonable to use the same scale for both figures. Image from hailstarscream's collection thread Personally, I prefer my heralds of the chaos bringer at the more massive 1/385 scale. Interestingly, one goal of the X-48B is to determine the viability of the blended wing body design as a military transport, so this scale makes it feasible for a tank-based Galvatron to be transported by either Cyclonus or Scourge. However, it is nice to have a smaller scale option for those who prefer Scourge and Cyclonus to be closer in scale with Galvatron.
I kind of disagree with Scourge and Cyclonus. Scourge seems more like a stealth bomber to me than the experimental craft you show. Yes there are strong similarities but it just doesn't feel right to me. Also Cyclonus really comes off to me as a fighter jet and thus those windows would be on a cockpit for a single pilot.
loving the classics measurements, keep it up guys, very interesting! How about more versions of the pictures scaleface posted? Would love to see a G1 line-up with accurate non-mass-shifting scale
Here's a redo of my original two posts dealing with Optimus Prime's scale: Classics Deluxe Optimus Prime - 1/60 to 1/64 Scale Robot Mode Height = ranges from 27.5 to 29 ft Classics Voyager Optimus Prime and all of his repaints - 1/43 Scale Robot Mode Height = 24 ft Dotm Deluxe Optimus Prime - 1/54 to 1/58 scale Robot Mode Height = ranges from 26 to 28 ft
Any idea of what scale DotM Skyhammer is? Apparently he's cobbled together from parts of a Hind helicopter as well as other brands, so I'm not sure how to calculate his scale. If it helps, his alt-mode is near-exactly 8 inches long.
I can't find any bombers that are closer than the X-48 for Scourge, because the cockpit, engines, and trailing edge don't really match the B-2. I do see what you are saying about Cyclonus, and I can see him working as a fighter, but I prefer to think of him as a larger spacecraft. Do you have a suggestion of what scale you'd list him at as a fighter?
