The One and Only Official “I have seen the movie!” Thread

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  1. arcee3

    arcee3 Well-Known Member

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    Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but I noticed the last time I saw it that when the Fallen teleports into the battle, you can see him coming before he teleports to the spot. In other words, he only teleports a few feet at a time. You can also see it when he's teleporting up to the pyramid, he only goes a certain distance at a time instead of directly to the top. Anyone know why that might be?
     
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    What happened to movie lockdown?
     
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    A good movie.

    Just watched it. Cool Movie !!! Kick-ass music. I reacted with every major moment. (I even cheered Sam as he sprinted to revive Optimus Prime, just like in a Rugby Match "Come-on Sam, Come-on !!! just a little bit further" :wink: )

    The movie seems a bit rushed, but very enjoyable.

    ROTF : Alliance & Defiance comics are a must read, because without reading them, no one can understand the plot of the movie.

    I can't see why people are so negative about the movie. A G1 fan would just love the movie.

    Due to the "To-Be-Continued" kind of ending, I think that there will be a 3rd movie. (Well, they better make one or else 'grrrrrrrr':D )

    I'm bit saddened to see that Starscream is SO evil in ROTF. Eventhough I'm an Autobot fan, I always loved Starscream for his "Autobot-like-nature". But, glad to see that Decepticons are so so evil in this movie, because I thought that they were bunch of pussies in the first movie.

    Overall, this movie is not an epic, but not bad as everyone says. But then again it all depends on personal opinion.

    If anyone haven't seen it yet. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU WAITING FOR ? GO TO THE THEATER !!!

    P.S : If anyone read my comments; Thank you so much !!!
     
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    hmm... didn't notice that... i'll have to pay more attention next time i go to see it...
     
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    Imax vs. Theatrical

    Ok - I've seen ROTF in a normal theatre and in Imax. Wasn't there supposed to be extended fighting scenes in the Imax version? Thought I remember reading that somewhere... Didn't notice a difference. Anyone out there see any difference?

    Loved it by the way - much better than the first. They seemed to, for the most part, improve what I felt was lacking in the first.
     
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    He can ONLY teleport to a short distance. This was mentioned in the scans of the "Transformers Movie Art Book"
     
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    He's toy only, not an actual character in the movie. Just like the Voyager Bludgeon we're getting next year in the toy line. Pictures of them haven't been released yet, and have only been seen by those who were at Botcon this year.
     
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    I finally saw TROTF this weekend! Love the Autobot twins, they loved to talk trash didn't they? Prime's fight in the forest? Awesomeness. Prime dies again? Come on, again? At least the Matrix of leadership brought him back to life, thank goodness. Gotta see it again soon!
     
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    Rotf

    It was so awsom and i cant wait for it to come out in a box set with the first movie
     
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    I don't recall seeing any difference between IMAX and regular. However, I saw the movie twice in regular theatres, and noticed a few SLIGHT difference. At my local theater, Palazzo 16, which is a Dickinson theater, a few scenes are different than at my local AMC. At the AMC, for instance, there's a quick shot during the Paris attack that shows a large chunk of building hitting the ground that wasn't in the Dickinson theatre version. There were one or two others I can't quite recall. They weren't anything so important that it changed the movie, but it's enough to make you notice you didn't see it before.
     
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    The background materials surrounding ROTF are kind of a mess. I finally tracked down a copy of Defiance today, and while it does a good job explaining both the background of the Great War AND the relationship between Megs and the Fallen ... the physical depiction of the Fallen is seemingly inconsistent with his appearance in the movie. The short background info about him and the Primes you can kind of write off as being info about his defeat not spelled out in ROTF, but it also seems to be contradictory on the surface.

    It does confirm, however, that the scene with Megs, Starscream, the birthing pods, and The Fallen does take place on the Nemesis, and not Cybertron proper.

    It doesn't help that the potential contradictions between all the comics, art books, novels, and the Movie are most likely excusable under the everything is canon doctrine. Hoo boy.

    -XCN-
     
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    If there is one movie that I have waited with bated breath to see, it was the sequel to TRANSFORMERS (2007), Transformers Revenge of the Fallen (2009). Two years and six months worth of anticipation just built up the more and more I heard about the developing film and what Michael Bay and co. were doing to improve upon things from the first film (I.E., "More Giant Robots!"). So much to the point where I created a LiveJournal community to better follow the news on the film. Sufficed to say, I was rather puzzled (and that's putting it mildly) to the Massive Negative reviews this film received; I expected it from critics, they don't like Michael Bay movies period, even a little hatred from Age old Transformers fans who've been there from the beginning (plus the "Bayhaters"), but this? Hell no. That aside I held on to the hope that this movie would not disappoint me and it didn't. And after seeing it, I have to say that, man did people exaggerate on the "Racist Twins" and "Sex Jokes" angles (rolls eyes).

    In 17,000 BCE, ancient Transformers called the Dynasty of Primes scoured the universe with the intention of draining the energy from stars to create Energon and power the AllSpark, the life source of the Transformers, using a machine called a Sun Harvester. The Primes agreed that life-bearing worlds would be spared, but one of their own betrayed the others and constructed a Sun Harvester on Earth. Unable to beat their brother, the Dynasty sacrificed their bodies in order to hide the Matrix of Leadership, the key used to power the Sun Harvester. The treacherous Prime was dubbed the Fallen, and vowed to seek revenge upon Earth.

    Fast forward two years, in the wake of Megatron and the first wave of Decepticon's defeat and the disbanding of Sector 7, The US and British Government (or The US/UK Military, whichever) have formed a something of a alliance with the Autobots (present and arriving), who work under the command of Optimus Prime (Peter Cullen), to keep the growing Decepticon force on Earth at bay and out of the public eye, in the form of the appropriately named N.E.S.T. (Nonbiological Extraterrestrial Species Team). Among this team is Former Captain William Lennox (Josh Duhamel) and Sergeant Robert Epps (Tyrese Gibson), who have been Promoted to the ranks of Major and Master Sergeant.

    On a routine Decepticon hunt in Shanghai, China, Optimus Prime receives a ominous message from Demolishor (Calvin Wimmer), a bodyguard for Decepticons hiding in China, that "The Fallen will Rise again". In the wake of this incident, National Security Advisor Galloway (John Benjamin Hickey) blames the Autobots for the increasing Decepticon presence and "requests" that they leave should the situation become any worse than it already is. Optimus is more than willing to oblige to the humans request but asks that they take heed and consider the consequences of their absence on earth should the Deception omen of the "Fallen" come true.

    Meanwhile, Sam Witwicky (Shia LaBeouf) is preparing to head off for collage to reassert himself in the "normal life" of young man his age, away from the life he was thrown into when he met the Autobots. Bumblebee, however, cannot come with him (Freshmen aren't allowed bring their cars with them). In the meantime Sam tries and fails to coax his two-year girlfriend, Mikaela Banes (Megan Fox) to come along with him. During his packing he discovers a sliver of the AllSpark in his tattered clothing (from the first film) and unknowingly absorbs its knowledge. During his brief stay in collage he meets his conspiracy theorizing roommate, Leo Spitz (Ramon Rodriguez), a young woman named Alice (Isabel Lucas) and suffers a mental breakdown akin to that of his Grandfather, Archibald Witwicky, in class when he begins to see symbols of Transformers ancient language.

    When the AllSpark shard is stolen from a US Military base by Ravage, a Feline-like transformer and a minion of Soundwave (Frank Welker), Optimus Prime calls upon the aid of Sam who immediately decides to cut himself loose from the problems of the Autobots telling Prime that he the war their fighting has nothing to do with him and that Prime doesn't need his help. However, all that changes when the Decepticon, Wheelie (Tom Kenny), attempts to steal the sliver of AllSpark Sam entrusts to Mikeala for safekeeping and Sam himself is attacked by a Decepticon [Pretender] undercover. And that's only half the movie, friends.


    Sufficed to say, Transformers Revenge of the Fallen is a superior and worthy sequel of the first film. ROTF is more or less TRANSFORMERS (2007) without the mystique and curiosity that surrounded the first film. Which is not a bad thing in the least; The awe remains, but the mystery has been taken out. With that said, its not a movie you can watch without watching the first one. Like any other sequel it ups the anty on everything you could imagine possible [at the behest of the complaints from TF-fans and general moviegoers alike]. From more Decepticons, more Autobots fighting and the introduction Pretenders, Sparklings, Insecticons, Combiners, Transformer Cannon Fodder, Space Bridges, Energon, Jetfire, and The Original 13 Primes (Dynasty of Primes), you name it, Revenge of the Fallen's got it. You'd think with sheer amount of content and characters that the movie would be unable to manage it all. Well, its more no and a slight yes in that aspect. With the number of characters they have in this movie, I've only noticed that two or three have vanished without explanation (the biggest one being Matthew Marsden's character, Graham on the UK Special Forces. Where the heck did he go?). Its clear sign that they bit off more than could chew with character management, but its slight enough that it doesn't detract from the film in the least (except when it comes to Matthew).

    The storyline is pretty easy to follow should you pay attention; On one hand you've got the US Government trying to "Deport" the Autobots from their planet, Epps and Lennox trying to undermind the government liaison by helping the Autobots remain on earth. The Decepticons trying to rebuild their army and the Fallen waiting for the right time to exact his revenge on the planet Earth and his brethren, the Primes, by obtaining the sacred "Autobot Matrix of Leadership" in order to harvest Energon from Earth. Finally, there's Sam's subplot with the Cybertronian Symbols and being hunted both every federal agency in the world and the Decepticons, while he and his compadre's hunt for the sacred "Autobot Matrix of Leadership" of legend in order to resurrect the fallen Optimus Prime. The storylines come together near-seamlessly into one big event that takes place in Egypt.

    Naturally Michael Bay's cinematography and direction fits the film perfectly. The action sequences are brilliantly executed. Their just as great, if not better as the first movie's battle sequences, especially on the subject of "Megatron vs. Optimus Prime" rounds II and III. You really get to see Optimus Prime cut loose against his Decepticon foes and do it in double-bladed style. Moreover the manner in which the Transformers suffer fatalities is absolutely brutal: I loved it. The more moving/dramatic moments really hit you as a viewer as the scenes unfold (more than one scene caused me to shed a tear) and, naturally, those beautifully shot red-orange Sunsets (a trademark of Michael Bay seen in all his films) set up some very romantic scenes between Mikaela Banes and Sam Witwicky. Like the previous film, Revenge of the Fallen is also incredibly funny. However, if your the type that's easily offended by brief sexual humor (which would surprise me given the number of people that watch movies like Superbad or Knocked Up and plethora of other Judd Apatow-esque comedies full of raunchy obnoxious humor), even briefer drug references, and mild crude language which is honestly within the boundaries of PG-13, then this is not the film for you.

    With the way they were describing it, it gave me the feeling that these scenes were extremely overlong and Revenge of the Fallen should've been rated R, but this is not the case. Both instances, like, Wheelie humping Mikaela's leg in way of showing his appreciation toward his "Warrior Goddess", or even Mojo having sex with his girlfriend? Then the horny Professor played by that guy from US version of The Office? Their brief and they made me laugh. Hard. The only moment that I can honestly say that mortified me was the shot of John Turturro's flabby and freckled ass, then his Banana Hammock underwear. Now that burned my eyes. Lord, the humanity. Everything else on the side of comedy was pretty normal and hilarious. Especially the scenes between Shia LaBeouf, Kevin Dunn, and Julie White.

    CHARACTERS: Autobots:

    In terms of the Autobots, there are a lot more of them this time around. With the number of Transformers in this movie, did not surprise me that the former lead characters such as Ironhide, Ratchet, and even Bumblebee (who, next to Optimus, has the most fight scenes), to some extent, screentime got cut down for the sake of the of addition, or even moving the film along. Characters like Arcee and sisters (Chromia, and a unnamed female Autobot most believe might be called Moonracer, voiced by Grey DeLisle), Jolt (who has no speaking lines and doesn't do anything important until the end), and Sideswipe (André Sogliuzzo), do not get any substantial character development, but given the circumstances their presence alone was enough for me. I do wish that they'd included Arcee combining with her "sisters" though. Then there's Skids and Mudflap (Tom Kenny and Reno Wilson), the two Autobot twins who, IMHO, were more or less a homage to the Twin Autobots, Sunstreaker and Sideswipe of the Generation One continuity.

    For the most part they do their job as comic relief extremely well; They're hilarious in that "your so stupid" way, provide most of the laughter in the aftermath of the action sequences and even manage to aid the story in a indirect manner which the comic relief usually does. For some reason though someone decided to make these two the source of "racism" in the film (which completely non-existent), in their ever continuing mission to out Michael Bay as a Racist Director. Frankly, I didn't see any the racism that's been implied towards the twins. While a tad over exaggerated for the comedy aspects, I live in a neighborhood full of people like them, they walk by my house all the time and I pause to puzzle at their speech pattern. Hell, people all over the world act and talk like these two characters. Even I regress and threaten to "bust a cap in someone's ass" sometimes. Its apart of the human culture now, and if your get offended by the mere idea of it, then you've been living under a rock. If anything the lingo and personas that both Autobots have to decided to adopt further illustrates their more talk and got nothing to back their words up.

    With Wheelie, I was a little disappointed that he wasn't just another nutcase like Frenzy, rambling Cybertronian gibberish. His "Jersey Accent" really threw me off, but as time goes on for the brief time he is present, you get used to him. His disappearance, however puzzling it is, never really bothered me too the point where it detracts from the film. I can always chalk it up to his beating it while his Goddess and her pals were distracted. Finally, there's Decepticon-turned-Autobot, Jetfire (Mark Ryan, who should've been providing a voice for Bumblebee). I was really happy that they included him as well and while I was slightly disappointed that Scott McNeil wasn't voicing the character, it did not detract from the likability of the character.

    CHARACTERS: Decepticons:

    When concerned with the Decepticons, Lord do they got more characters than anyone in this film and most of them, thankfully are just the grunts I expected them to be, akin to that in the first film (with more speaking lines), only hundred times more lethal in some aspects. A few of them, however, are cameo appearances (I.E. Blackout & Scorponok). Barricade, the Decepticon favorite from the first film, is still strangely absent and I can only hope that he either reppears or is confirmed dead in the next film, if not, he shall remain as one of the biggest "missing" characters in Transformer movieverse history and shall forever be a thorn in my side. That aside, Megatron is finally given more to do and Hugo Weaving's voice is less distorted and therefore alot more meancing, though there were times where I heard Agent Smith in his performance though. Starscream (Charlie Addler) also gets more to do, especially in the battle with Optimus Prime.

    Ironically, The Fallen (Tony Todd) ends up getting the same treatment that Megatron did in the first film, but his appearances beforehand were enough to create something of loathing attachment to his character. At least enough to where you'd be glad to see him perish. Ravage and Soundwave are cleverly ultized as the "infiltrators" of the Decepticons; I heard a lot of people didn't like the treatment that Soundwave was given (I.E. his lack of direct involvement in the situation of the film itself), but I thought suited his character to be honest. I simply enjoyed Ravage's character because the cat-like mannerisms of the character were spot on. And then there's the constructions which form the massive Transformer, Devastator. This is one fearsome and slightly cumbersome Decepticon that honestly looks about as huge as Godzilla (maybe even bigger). Yet another source of complaint, while it was probably intentional, some took the joke of the Construction Balls below Devastator's body too literally as actual "Genitalia" of the Transforme and were strangely offended by it. A lot of people will draw comparisons to the female Terminator, the TX, when they see the Pretender in this film, but from what gathered from the character she kinda reminded me of Beast Machines Blackarachnia Design. At least when I looked at the breastplate.


    ACTING/SPECIAL EFFECTS:

    The performances from all the cast is pretty much consistent with the first film, if only improved. Especially with the case of Megan Fox as Mikaela Banes. While I thought she gave a really great performance in TRANSFORMERS, I think she did even better in this movie. I can't wait to see how she does Jennifer's Body. Shia LaBeouf doesn't disappoint with his performance as Sam Witwicky, he certainly is less spastic and a much more controlled and really delivers with the dramatic acting. The only thing I can say annoyed me with his performance was his constant screaming, save for that one part in which he hits that oh so famous "girl scream" pitch I recognized from Even Stevens. That was a riot.

    Tyrese Gibson and Josh Duhamel have no more or less Screen time than they had in the first film, though I did notice a little more focus on Gibson's character, Epps, this time around, which I loved. They continue to perform convincingly as comrades in arms. I also liked the implication that Robert Epps and Lennox aren't the "close friends" of Sam Witwicky and Mikaela Banes, like the fandom tends to portray them. And while his role is really minor, I enjoyed seeing Matthew Marsden as UK Special Forces Soldier, Graham. The disappearance of his character, however, is what really bothered me. One moment he's there relaying information to Lennox and then once the fighting starts he's gone. Again, I shall make an assumption and presume his character died.

    Kevin Dunn and Julie White are given more to do with their characters, kinda flesh them out, as the Witwicky Parents finally get caught up in the war between the Autobots and are used as Proverbial bait for the Decepticons. Both actors really get to show a more serious side in their performance which I thought was a nice change of pace. The bloggish Rivalry between John Turturro's [Agent] Simmons and Ramon Rodriguez's Leo Spitz, make for some very entertaining sequences, these guys really play off each other quite well. I expected dislike Ramon Rodriguez in this movie as Leo, but he also gave a good performance as the new human introduced to the Transformer universe. Lastly, Isabel Lucas, who has a very brief role in this film as Alice, does well enough with the role she's given. She was able to play the more menacing persona of her character quite well in my opinion. Lastly Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime continues to give a consistent and great performance, as do the over voice actors. Overall, I really can't find anything to complain about the performances in this film.

    Much to my pleasure, Steve Jablonsky returns to score for Revenge of the Fallen and does an excellent job of maintaining the original themes of the fist film while creating an entirely different score altogether. While the Original Score was not a complete "Action Score" in the way of the Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl (2003) or even his score for Gears of Wars II (2008) --- there were plenty of slow and moving pieces --- there just something about his composition in ROTF that makes you think that its more mellow, sinister or mature than the Transformers score. The "Infinite White" and "Fallen" themes are probably my favorite cues on the score itself. The utilization of the Decepticon-esque chants and the serene vocals of Lisbeth Scott, really play up the polarizing moments of the movie. With that said, while its different (thankfully), it doesn't top the original score in any way. There was so much music from the film that wasn't included on the soundtrack, so I can only hope we get a "complete score" sometime soon.

    Lastly, the Special Effects (done completely by Industrial Lights and Magic, if memory serves) are mind blowing. There's simply no other way of putting it. The tales of "exploding" or "melting" computers and Hard Drives have been validated. The level of detail put into the characters and the surrounding environment itself is breath taking. There's a moment where the Decepticon, Devastator, is scaling one of the pyramids and it begins to crumble under his harsh treatment. Just watching the stones tumble down the sides actually stirred a moment of anger in me. It really looked like that amazing (and beautiful) structure was being defaced. The level of detail and realism in the ROTF just floored me. I certainly hope there's a Oscar nomination (and a win) in their future come next year.

    Overall, I loved this movie. I loved it as much as I loved the first one and I'm looking forward the sequel whenever it comes out. --- [A 5 out of 5] (Written July 1st and completed July 4th 2009).
     
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    Sorry to say I found it a very dumb movie. Stupid jokes and a bad plot.... Had high hopes, but Bay didn't come trough. The first half was enjoyable, but after that the movies gets crappy. The forrest part was a nice scene, didn't really liked the final battle.

    The problem with the movie in my opinion was that the plot wasn't really good, the humor was pretty bad. A giant scrotum and Sam's mom going wild on a piece of 'Space Cake'. Trust me, if you eat that you will not act like here. What a lame scene. The many mistakes and plotholes were also very annoying. I know a lot of you enjoyed the movie and even I had an okay time seeing it. But I still think that they messed it up and that really sucks. It could been an much better movie, could have been a classic. Now it's just another summer blockbuster.
     
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    SAF7 LOVE this game!

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    Just saw it for a second time today, and I have to say, the length didn't feel as bad as the first time around.

    The way I see it is:

    TF1:

    -Stronger plot

    -Better characterization (Autobots)

    -Didn't feel as drawn out in terms of length

    -Held together better (fewer plot holes and mistakes)

    -More distinct characters (no clones)


    ROTF:

    -Better characterization (Decepticons)

    -Better fight scenes overall

    -'Better' comedy (as in, I actually laughed a few times during this movie, which I don't remember doing doing the first movie)

    -More bots

    -Optimus being awesome



    Hopefully, Bay will take the best of both worlds and make TF3 the Transformers movie that we've always wanted. Only time will tell...
     
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    Also Devastator doens't looks that big... In the first scene Demolisher is already pretty huge, but when you finally see Devastator it looked to me he wasn't really bigger (higher) then Demolisher.
     
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    I didnt see any difference ethier, MICHEAL BAY YOU LIAR!!!!!!! Still a great movie though.
     
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    In the Wii game, Star Scream refers to him as 'Reed Man'. Stupid name.
     
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    TF2=Meh....

    I was very happy that we were given another Transformer movie.

    That being said, I did not find it to be what I would really call a Transformer movie in the spirit and character of most all TF lore but the first live-action movie.
    I am admitedly a more G1/BeastWars/Comics old-school fan, so, a movie with such an adult bent is not what I expected. Frankly, no self-censoring parent can take their children to see the movie, as it is much too rife with adult/mature humor and situations. I find that sad, since I have many friends who walked out disappointed with the realization of not being able to share this movie with their offspring until they are old enough to be exposed to such things.
    This is not the majority opinion, I know. However, we must remember that this property was meant for kids, but happened to be a good enough show to interest older folks. Now, this new movie has stepped into a new direction away from younger fans and towards those that grew up with the first live-action movie. Not a bad marketing idea, but, slyly irresponsible to the younger fans, who, will most likely see the film anyway.

    That being said, as an adult, I liked the action, disliked the adolescent/uncreative humor, overlooked the Bay Con designs, and was very happy to see Prime defeat the Bad Guy. I am looking forward to TF3, where I am sure we will see a roaming Sun Eater called Unicron, and, if we are not careful, an R rating brought on by repeated F-bombs from Iron Hide and scenes from a robot brothel. Not something I will be looking forward too.

    Let us encourage TF3's Producers to put out a product with superior writing. To give us a story that promotes strong family/community values. To show this generation the reason we fell in love with this story/cast of characters in the first place. I ask you to think on this seriously.
    Here's hoping.
     
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    Yeah, if you're an old skool fan, this movie verse is probably not for you. If you're willing to approach it from a reboot standpoint, you might be able to find the enjoyment in it.

    But even then, it can be difficult.

    One of my biggest complaints from the get go. Though it's not quite as bad in ROTF as it was in TF07. Still, the F-Bomb being dropped in ROTF pushed it over the line.

    And inevitably make the job of the parents that much harder as they try and explain why they can't call 'em punk ass Decepticons, when Ironhide (a hero, no less!) did that same thing.

    And yes, it's true that one look at the rating tells you whether or not your children are able to watch this film, but a lot of parents are in a hurry and lead hectic lives and don't always have a chance to read all of the fine details and think it's just the violent content that got that rating. Not saying kids should see the violence, or that the parents are doing a terrible job, but one person's idea of PG-13 violence, and another's is all subject to opinion. So it's a tad unfair for them to go in, kids in tow, expecting a rock 'em, sock 'em good time, only to have to walk out early.

    If they bring in Unicron, I can honestly say I'll skip the movie. The first movie doesn't impress me as it once did. (Quite the opposite, in fact.) ROTF was surprise hit with me, but not perfect. (Though enjoyable enough that I'd have no problem watching it frequently on home video sources.) TF3 should hopefully be better than the first two combined, and leave Unicron out. And really, with The Fallen dead, there's no need for the satanic character in this universe, anymore. The Fallen was the satanic character.

    Oh I've thought on this quite a bit, but I've come to realize that you can't fight city hall. Come what may, they'll make it their way. I do hope, that at the very least, the swearing is either heavily trimmed, or removed completely. And no Unicron.
     
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    Who thought it took place on Cybertron? We saw Megatron flying to a planet in our solar system.
     
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