The -NEW- END ALL BE ALL Masterpiece Speculation Thread

Discussion in 'Transformers Toy Discussion' started by Superquad7, Dec 1, 2011.

  1. Master Blaster

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    Jazz was released, but afaik the Wheeljack and Mirage molds are gone.


    I'm not sure what all the fuss surrounding Wheeljack is though- he's a Lancia right? Are they owned by VW or something? Same for Mirage. Dunno who has the licenses for their vehicles.
     
  2. Enterlaw

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    The issue w/ Wheeljack is not just with the car, it's also w/ his paintjob, which makes him the IP of both Lancia and the Alitalia Race team of that time, Alitalia of current time, etc. etc.

    Smokescreen is apparantly also a design from a real race team, as was Mirage, so , with Smokescreen, at least, we shall maybe get an idea of how this will play out.

    When Jazz was released, was his sticker set the same? Martini, etc.?
     
  3. BenjaminXavier

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    Those molds were not licensed at all, ever. They're not "accurate" really, to the actual cars.
     
  4. Master Blaster

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    Nah, Jazz came with Meister stickers if I remember right. His logos were just licensed weren't they, not his colour scheme too?

    I don't mind if they have to leave all the logos and sponsors off. We'll more than likely be able to get a reprolabel set for those at least, so better than having Meister plastered across Jazz's windscreen again.

    And oh I see, that does complicate things a little. Another license to acquire then- surely racing teams would be behind big name toys that happen to be the awesome good guys? we'll see I guess- would suck to have them in any other colours!
     
  5. butz

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    I dunno, I seem to recall something about Guy Ligier (racing team for the car Mirage was based on) being pretty opposed to the idea.
     
  6. Master Blaster

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    Hmm, damn cheese-eating surrender monkey. I wonder what'll be done about that then. If we don't get Mirage, I'll be seriously sad. I was never quite happy with the classics one (despite it being quite awesome), as it just doesn't quite look like the guy.

    If TakTom can't do it, I hope someone like FansToys steps up and makes him for us.
     
  7. Wheeljack_Prime

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    Jazz has been reissued, the others haven't, but that's mostly because the molds are missing/damaged/degraded.
     
  8. jerminator

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    Weren't all of them amongst the "lost" molds? That's kinda curious to think about now.
     
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  10. dkr7

    dkr7 "Argh' Hexagonal Nuts!"

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    i very highly doubt Takara are gonna go after racing sponsors for the figures, that will ruin the whole cartoon look they've been going for, their not alternators or binaltechs (whatever their called), they'll just have the basic pattern for the like the toon models had. With mirage they may be able to just use a generic race car look close to the cartoon, but the only licenses i think Takara will be after are the car makes e.g. Porsche, Lancia, VW etc.
     
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    Sorry, I guess I meant boring vehicles. My bad.
     
  12. Lbsammills51

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    As far as redeco candidates for each Season 1/2 mold, here are the "traditional" options plus a few others that have some kind of precedent:

    Optimus - Black Convoy/Nemesis (confirmed), Ultra Magnus, Optimus Clear/Crystal variant, Diaclone Powered Convoy, "Shining" Ultra Magnus, Corpse Optimus (similar to MP-4S), Shattered Glass (?), G2 (though it'd be more of the trailer only being redecoed and new rifles, so probably the least likely candidate)
    Megatron - Megaplex, Megs Black Version, Conversion Megatron (?)
    Frenzy/Rumble - Rumble/Frenzy (confirmed), Enemy
    Laserbeak - Buzzsaw (confirmed), Garboil, Sundor
    Ratbat - Wingthing, SG
    Ravage - Stripes, Howlback, Glit
    Bumblebee - Cliffjumper (reshell?), Hubcap, Glyph, Tap-Out, Bumper/Bumblejumper, G2 Bumblebee, G2 Hubcap, Bugbite (?)
    Brawn - Outback
    Gears - Swerve, Smallfoot (?)
    Huffer - Pipes, Road Ranger (?)
    Windcharger - Tailgate, Rook
    Beachcomber - G2
    Cosmos - Pathfinder (?) or nothing
    Powerglide - Bad Boy (?) or nothing
    Seaspray - G2
    Warpath - Treds (?) or nothing
    Kickback - Shothole
    Bombshell - Salvo
    Shrapnel - Zaptrap
    Reflector - Toy colors or nothing (assuming initial MP release would come in animation colors)
    Hound - Detritus or nothing (maybe SG too?)
    Skids - Crosscut, red Diaclone, black Diaclone, Screech (?), green RotF colors
    Jazz - Stepper, G2 Jazz
    Mirage - red Diaclone
    Tracks - Road Rage, black Diaclone
    Wheeljack - Marlboro Wheeljack
    Prowl - Blue/Silverstreak (confirmed), Smokescreen (confirmed), blue Diaclone Bluestreak
    Sideswipe - Red Alert (released), Crosscut, Deep Cover, Tigertrack (confirmed), G2 Sideswipe
    Sunstreaker - police Diaclone, red Diaclone, third Diaclone (black?)
    Ironhide - Ratchet, black Diaclone Ironhide, Movieverse colors Ratchet (?)
    Trailbreaker - Hoist, blue Trailbreaker, yellow Hoist (I may have the blue and yellow backwards, admittedly)
    Inferno - Grapple, Artfire, Hauler
    Starscream - Skywarp, Thundercracker (released-US), Dirge, Ramjet, Thrust, Sunstorm (released), Acid Storm (?), Ghost Starscream, G2 Starscream, G2 Ramjet, Black Starscream
    Blaster - Twincast, SG
    Perceptor - Magnificus
    Jetfire - ???
    Grimlock - G2 green, G2 blue
    Slag - G2 red, G2 green
    Sludge - G2 concept (???) or nothing
    Snarl - G2 red
    Swoop - blue Diaclone, G2 concept (???)
    Shockwave - gray "Shackwave" or nothing
    Soundwave - Soundblaster, SG
    Astrotrain - toy b/w or p/w deco (assuming actual MP uses animation colors)
    Blitzwing - Overcharge
    Constructicons - Diaclone, G2 yellow, G2 orange, SG
    Aerialbots - G2
    Protectobots - G2, Guard City
    Combaticons - G2, Battle Gaia, Ruination
    Stunticons - G2

    There's also the Estrelas redecos of some of the minibots, but I imagine those are a bit too obscure for MPs.

    Outside of a few others random possibilities ("corpse"/sleep mode redecos of Prowl, "electrum" redecos), did I miss anything?
     
  13. OMEGAPRIME1983

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    True on bb/cj, but they still share a a lot, so they might be remolded off of each other?
     
  14. Wheeljack_Prime

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    Slicer from Wheeljack
     
  15. Grimmjow

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    Any chance of Masterpiece Sideswipe getting a second run? Cause I wanna order MP12 from RK, but it's out of stock...

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  16. hoosierdaddy04

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    bts still has him, and I believe that he's already got a second run.
     
  18. primetime77

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    yup thats the size relation i always have i mind....and the reason perhaps i got an igear faith leader to begin with. funny huh? if takara had never made an mp-08 that was out of scale with their original mp-01 and their upcoming mp-09 and mp-10 (they had to have been workign on them at that point)....i would never have bought a faith leader....then again i probably wouldn't have bought all those henkei and classics that scale well with those two also...
     
  19. LigerPrime

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    Nope. But sources that I have been close with has 'hinted' if they coulhere lease the entire cast of MTMTE is on the pipeline. Problem as usual is the uncertain economy conditions. And the nature of the characters. Eg. Megatron more popular than say, Windcharger or Brawn.

    Whether my sources are accurate...time will tell but they have been spot on with regards to MP and reissue releases. Eg. Fort Max reissue was in the works almost 2 years back etc. But at this stage, expect MP releases to be fast and furious unless the bloody global economy tanks.

    Forget about patterns such as Autobot-Autobot- Decepticon- Decepticon patterns because production plans can and do change.
     
  20. TCracker

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    probably pushing them all out before the global economy tanks. :D