The Mandalorian - live-action Star Wars TV series

Discussion in 'Movies and Television' started by ShinGi, Nov 9, 2017.

  1. Tekkaman Blade

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    I agree, but as I said, I'm still worried people at the top may be meddling again. I want to just be able to watch something and not have to worry about this stuff. But it keeps happening, leading to me constantly looking for warning signs. Either there is an agenda, or something will happen and we end up with another cop out like the ending of Game of thrones. Something is wrong in entertainment media and I honestly feel I can't trust things I used to like anymore. (I hate that)
     
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    I don't disagree with you a single bit that Kennedy is pushing for more female representation at the cost of all else. The replacement of Nyx with the two sisters is especially frustrating because I doubt the arc would've been as bad since it actually would've been Ahsoka and another person interacting, instead the two sisters just talk to each other and Ahsoka becomes a third wheel in her own arc. And not that it's my cup of tea, but the idea that Ahsoka would've formed some (fleeting) romantic relationship with Nyx is at least something worth exploring, as it's something she could never do in the Jedi order. I probably wouldn't have liked it, but it would've been something for the character to experience that's outside her comfort zone and followed her asserting her independence and choosing what she wants in life, rather than what she's told. Y'know, like a normal girl her age would.

    That said, OptionZero is completely right about this not being the same thing. This is not Disney pushing a ham-fisted agenda, this is Filoni giving his created characters their due. Just like the confirmation of Ahsoka in season 2 of Mando, the character's gender is irrelevant, Filoni is just bringing in fan-favourites because he knows people like them. Bo-Katan's addition even makes more sense, as it'll likely be used to expand and explain the Mandalorian lore and how it's changed from TCW to this.

    They announced Bo-Katan exactly the same way they've announced every other character. They just did the same for Boba days ago. Your concerns are totally understandable given history but misplaced in this instance.

    This is entirely true, unfortunately. But Disney has made their intent very, very clear. Which is stupid to me. KK wanted more female representation, but Star Wars has always had multiple strong female characters (as in well-developed) across the years. Hell, Ahsoka was popular way before Disney took the reigns. It was only once they started forcing it, making it obvious, and compromising on their stories did people see the obvious pandering for what it was.

    Nobody wants Rey, Rose, Holdo, etc, but people go crazy over the idea of Ahsoka or Bo-Katan getting more exposure. Cara Dune even became a fan-favourite as well, without being a legacy character from the Lucas years. Disney doesn't realize that by treating female characters as a gimmick instead of characters, they're actually doing more harm than good.
     
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    The issue is everything is so rushed and botched up. Remember when it would be years between movie sequels.
     
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    Yeah I miss when they had competent film makers who actually tried rather than just checking off boxes on the agenda list.
     
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    It all comes down to Disney wanting to make money. And I know that sounds redundant and an oversimplification, but it's true.

    That's why these attempts at "representation" fall hilariously flat, because Disney doesn't want to put the effort into telling a good story, they want to use them as bargaining chips. "Hey come see our new movie, look it has a WOMAN in it! A STRONG FEMALE PROTAGONIST!!"

    Because Disney thinks women are stupid, and that they'll watch a movie just because it has other women in it, like that's all women care about and nothing else. It's insulting, and I'm glad to see it fail when actual, great female characters who aren't just there because of their gender rise to popularity. Nothing makes me happier than seeing Rey shit on and Ahsoka being held up like she's orange Jesus by fans. "We'll see your Mary Sue and raise you one character carefully developed over seven years!"

    It's not about "women ruin Star Wars," it's not about "all Star Wars fans are whiny man-children," it's about fans and audiences not being gullible.
     
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    To get back to the actual show

    Giancarlo Esposito has publicly said there's gonna be a lightsaber battle in Mando S2, and that in practice he's broken 3 of them already:
    Moff Gideon Will Have His Darksaber Skills Tested in "The Mandalorian" Season 2

    I’m decent. I’m getting better. But you have to respect the power of it, the energy of it. It’s long, dude. I’ve bopped myself three times already. Pop in the head, I’m like oh my God, what do I do? I start laughing. People look at me, they want me to be the expert right off the bat, because I’m the bad ass. But you know what? It takes practice. So we have long ones, we have short ones. Because sometimes they have to put it in. And guess what? I can say this? I can say it, I can say it. I’m going through it in my head, spoilers, blah blah blah. I can say it. I’ve broken three of those bad boys.

    Who's he fighting? Amongst Force users active at this time are Luke (he's not showing up in Mandalorian), Leia (may not be trained yet, not showing up either), Ezra (would have to explain where he came from) and Ahsoka (confirmed in show)

    Now they we know Bo Katan is in the show, seems like at least one battle could very easily be the flash back scene of when Moff Gideon and his forces took the darksaber off of her

    Another could be the obvious Ahsoka's white saber vs. Gideon's Darksaber, which should probably make for a fantastic visual, if nothing else
     
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    I don’t mind the sisters arc, but it would have been cool seeing a more relevant arc for the final season. I wonder if the mandalorian will ever shift to a 4 episode arc concept. I kind of like that the best. It makes the story line remarkably watchable when you wait for all four episodes to air and then binge as a whole.
     
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    Oh my god, oh my god Disney cast a woman.... Kathleen Kennedy! SW ruined 4 evah!
     
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    yeah I would have preferred the hunt for the Kyber Crystal arc. That had some good setups for Anakin turning bad and some nice character moments between he and Obi wan. Plus there was the whole foreshadowing of the Death star.
     
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    And give Grievous one last showing. Since it would be the only time we would see him in his Episode III look. And he racked up quite the body count in those episodes.
     
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    Oh Dang.
     
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    Bottom line: I don't think a single soul out there is disappointed by Bo-Katan being played by Katee Sackhoff. Makes me kinda wish Eckstien could play Ahsoka...
     
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    Is Katee Sackhoff the first actor in Star Wars to make the leap from animation to live action? I hope this becomes a trend as I would love to see Lars Mikkelson return as Thrawn in live action.
     
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    I'll trust Faverau and Filloni for the most part, I'm just hoping stories don't get muddied and messed up by stuff going on behind the scenes and of course the current virus issues. Hopefully we will start seeing the new cast in their costumes soon alleviating any fears
     
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    Wonder if we could get Dee Bradly Baker to grow a beard and shave his head so he could play Old Man Rex while Temuera plays Middle-Aged-Man Boba. Temueura is closer to Boba's age (50s vs 41) than Rex (82) so who knows what could've happened to Rex during the five years between ROTJ and Mando.
     
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    My main concern for Rosario playing Ahsoka isn't physical--she's got that down pretty well. But rather the voice. We're so used to Ashley's, higher pitched softer voice that it's going to be difficult adjusting to Rosario's deeper voice. Unless they do a dub-over, and somehow get both Dawson and Ashley playing the same character a-la Darth Maul, but I don't know if that's going to happen.
     
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    I forgot all about that show.
     
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    It's neat that they're using so many popular characters, I just hope they don't go overboard. For me one of the appeals of season one was how many great new characters they introduced. Bringing Boba back makes sense for this show, but I don't know that every episode needs to have a familiar or popular face.

    I also hope these characters are used better than the Darth Maul cameo in Solo. That cameo made no sense if you're not familiar with his resurrection in the cartoon. And if you are familiar with the cartoons, that cameo doesn't leave anything to look forward to (since we already know how he dies). I'll always consider that one of the worst and most tasteless movie cameos I've ever seen. As long as they explain who these people are for non-cartoon-viewers, they should be fine. But I hope they don't rely on us already knowing who they are.
     
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    The progression seems to be Rebels like:
    s1, introduce the main characters, establish world and time line, set direction for S2
    s2, connect to larger world
    S3, tbd
     
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    I believe you are correct

    Saw Guerrera is prolly next closest
    He first appeared in Clone wars S5, ep2, War on two fronts in 2012 voice by Andrew Kishino
    The he was then played by forest whitaker live in rogue one and voiced him in Rebels.

    favreau himself voiced pre vizla in lone wars and played a mandalorian in s1