The Last of Us: Part II

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    What do you mean evidence? Art is subjective lol?


    These nerds are once again proving they haven’t played the game by not even spelling the characters name right.
     
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    If that basically boils down to "humanizing" Abby, then it clearly didn't work.

    Not that sex scene, pal. That scene was clearly made just so Druckman could have something to spank off to. At least we know he likes to do it anal.
     
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    Well then this is pretty goddamn shitty art given it prides itself on being realistic and yet is provably anything but.

    For instance, you can not support even a small community living entirely out of a sports stadium and dedicating maybe HALF of the ground to crop growth. It takes 1.3 acres or thereabouts to feed ONE person. The average size of a given sports stadium field is in fact 1.3 acres.

    They also are traveling around in cars. Except this is decades after the refineries have stopped producing gasoline and gas itself only has a shelf life of 10 years before it comes unusable without treatment with other chemicals. And biofuel isn't the easy answer out because bio fuel in non-biofuel designed cars has a significantly shorter mileage rate and you'd have to stop more often to refuel.

    On top of that, the game mapped a real life city for the characters to walk around in...except there's one MASSIVE change. There is no synagogue where you walk through one in TLOU2. In real life, that's a church.

    There's also the thing about how goddamn dumb it is to have Mel be going out and about in the middle of her third trimester of pregnancy. The only reason Mel even exists is for Ellie to kill her, and the only reason Ellie is required to kill her for the sake of the plot is the bullshit in trying to make Abby look at all relatable to Ellie by forcing Ellie down to Abby's level.

    Several of these things have been brought up before and you continuously fail to explain any of them.
     
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    Y’all are weirdos man lmao 369FFE08-6208-4A70-9AD4-A791E0B02021.jpeg
     
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    Ya the Mel thing confused me. She was doing to much for a pregnant lady. It was distracting and unbelievable.

    A lot of the other issues are kinda standard in the apocalypse genre. Walking dead does similar things. Mad Max is based all around car culture. The only piece of media that comes off as truly authentic and real apocalypse is The Road.

    I get that the game takes pride in its realism but anything with “Zombies” will never be real. It’s fantasy. I don’t take any video game to be “realistic” despite how much any dev claims it to be.
     
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    Now that I think about it, didn't Druckman say something about how Naughty Dog wanted to "change the industry" regarding presenting a non-sexualized female protagonist? Doesn't that sex scene kind of invalidate that?
     
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    No because according to people who have absolutely boring tastes who hold standard TV dramas and The Office as high works of fiction, sex is okay when it’s “drama.”

    The fucking hypocrisy of America man. Always shooing things away and saying they are bad, yet clamoring for it all the same. Double standards, no honesty.
     
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    I don’t think you know what sexualized means. Women have sex, that doesn’t sexualize them. Ellie and Abby aren’t unrealistically curvy or wearing super revealing outfits through the game. They aren’t sexualized

    Harley Quinn in Suicide squad is sexualized bc she’s literally wearing underwear and a crop top. That’s what sexualized means. (thankfully they fixed that in Birds of Prey)
     
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    I have a question for you. What if a women decided to wear that themselves out in public? Would they be sexualizing themselves?
     
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    You may not like that scene. I sure as hell didn't. But there are some out there that this tickles their odd fetish fancy (say like the Druckman example you just mentioned). Sex sells. It's like that saying about porn: If a topic about it exists, odds are so does a porn of it. It's an ugly realization, but that doesn't stop it from being.
     
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    What's hilarious is that one scene is going to be one of the few things remembered about this game - a guy who looks strikingly like Neil Druckman having a scene with Neil Druckamn's glorified mary sue.
     
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    First of all, Owen looks nothing like Neil Druckmann which just tells me once again that you haven’t played the game. Second of all, are we seriously still using that dumb*ss term “Mary sue” in 2020?? Are you not gonna complain about how Joel was impaled through his stomach in Part I and practically bled out, all while being 50+ years old and survived? Every character has plot armor but y’all only point it out if it’s a women. That says a lot about you bro, hate to break it to you.
    That’s real life? There’s a difference. Women are allowed to wear what they want.

    In most cases, when a woman is sexualized in media, a man is typically behind it, which is what upsets a lot of people. It just feels gross.

    Having a sex scene isn’t sexualizing, plus it literally lasts like 20 seconds long, idk why y’all are so upset about it.
     
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    And this tells me you don't even read my fucking posts, because I already provided evidence where the mere suggestion the two look alike is completely justified.
    Same facial hair and everything. The internet does not fucking care about the details like the fact they are not the same person, they look like the same person, and it was Neil Duckman's call to have some guy who even remotely looks like him to commit adultery with a massively unpopular character of his own design.

    Now you're literally arguing against terms that have been used for years. You have no argument to stand on when you are trying to attack the persons argument for word choice instead of what they're actually arguing about.
     
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    That's not Owen, it's Manny.
     
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    Ya you are showing the wrong guy. You think it’s Manny but it’s Owen who Abby has sex with.

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    Get your facts straight. This is why everyone keeps on telling you to play the game.

    Manny the so called Druckmann look alike is barely in the game. He is there for Joel’s death. He goes missing for the rest of Ellie’s story. He doesn’t show up again until Abby’s story. Hang out with Abby and Mel. Goes missing for a while, randomly shows up and gets shot in the head by Tommy.
     
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    Fine, I'll let that one go.

    No, I'm fucking not. I am not wasting my money on this shit simply to validate other people's opinions, because this has turned into another situation similar to where people seem to think that me torturing myself through the three hours of bullshit titled Age of Extinction will somehow make me like it given the first time possibly was the biggest waste of my life. All arguments to try and convince me to give TLOU2 a chance have been nothing but sidesteping legitimate criticisms and attacking me over fucking misogyny because apparently that's a get out of jail free card for defending flaws with Abby as a character that are independent of the fact she's a woman.

    I've already passed judgement on Abby - she's a sociopath of the worst kind and the game justifies her behavior because not once does she ever feel remorse for the fact that it was her actions - killing Joel - that led to Ellie killing most of her friends. Not once does she ever express regret that her own quest for revenge cost other people's lives. She gets to kill Joel conscience-free all the way to the end of the game.

    Plus, I still have Horizon Zero Dawn to beat, a far superior game that kicks the shit out of anything TLOU2 could ever hope to accomplish. Strong, athletic female protaganist, post apocalypse civilization, bow combat, stealth, and a revenge plotline that makes a hell of a lot more sense and lets the player actually make decisions instead of force-feeding them down their throat. There's a reason that the sequel Forbidden West was the biggest highlight of the PS5 reveal event short of the PS5 itself finally being shown off.
     
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    Yeah that’s Manny, not Owen. The sex scene that you claim to hate so much is between Abby and Owen, not Manny.

    Anyways, the actor who plays Manny just looks like that, I don’t know what to tell you. Why do you have so much hate for Neil
     
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    I’m not telling you to play the game. I’m asking you to get your facts straight.

    You not having your facts straight is why others are telling you to play it.
     
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    Again, you literally are not even reading my posts, given the one I posted well over an hour ago before you replied already shows I'm backing down from that.

    Again, I am not wasting my goddamn money on something that I think looks like ass. Why the hell would I waste my money on garbage I'm pretty sure I'm going to hate? You're suggesting I engage in blind consumerism. Why not just throw my money in the garbage disposal because the end result would be the same.
     
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    I saw that, my bad.