The Knock off transformers thread

Discussion in 'Transformers 3rd Party Discussion' started by blunghole, Oct 5, 2008.

  1. LarELar

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    I think I was in a similar boat a week ago, when I chimed in; and am now reading responses that are quite comical. I mean, some feel they must defend the honor of knockoff/bootleg TF toys... With sentiment that comes off like, "How dare you use that term 4P on them! Call them what they are, and don't demean them with a term that I will now decompose into its would-be literal meaning."

    I definitely don't seem to see the same vitriol when people use the term 'plastic crack.' I think the only retailer/e-tailer I've seen use that term on their site is @SirToys' for occasional, temporary listings, yet 4th party is a persistent category on multiple sites that likely amount to sales in the thousands. And they've used that term on their sites for at least the last 3+ years.

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    It does make me wonder if there were people from yesteryear that pushed back on the initial use of either the terms 'knockoff' or 'bootleg,' demanding they be called simply "illegal" or something along those lines; and then wanting to justify the improper use of the terms knockoff or bootleg by breaking down the literal meaning of those word combinations. Unfortunately (or fortunately) the internet wasn't around that far back to capture that level of bickering. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    But hey, we're in May 2021, and the talk in this thread in May of 2020 was...?
    Maybe I should've left it with my (potentially?) initial post on the 4P discussion from March of 2018 with, "...if people want to utilize a term/category for '4th party,' then so be it..."
    :lol 

    Well, I'm cleaning out my temporary office at this temporary worksite this week, and after ~15-months of this much longer commute (that at least allowed me to check multiple Targets, Walgreens and GameStops on the way home), I will likely be back to a 5-min commute to my regular work spot (get back to enjoying the short trip benefits, which was one of the reasons I bought the house in the first place). Maybe I'll spend more time in this thread then... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Now off to see how many areas I'll strike out on a Target CI major bludd, and how many scores I'll make with cheap TF KOs from places like DD's discount.

    (I won't miss the extra expense of gas money, time, car maintenance, and additional purchases... well, I might miss the last one, a lil' bit ;) )
     
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    Back in the day, I only use "bootleg" for cassettes, CDs', and video tapes. Everything else is referred to as fake. Feels weird to call fake clothes and shoes "bootleg", especially shoes since it may further cause confusion.


    But if you guys think "4th Party" is a problematic term for KO, what about Chinese Taobao sellers using the term "Factory Goods", that MOSTLY, but not always mean KO?

    What the vague fuckery is factory goods? Is it excess goods? Defective goods? Goods sold cheaper because it's straight from the factory? Skimmed goods?

    And why is its usage inconsistent?
     
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    There any places to get CW hand/feet sets nowadays?
     
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    Gee, you're right. I can scarcely imagine what kind of dysfunctional weirdo would spend so much effort arguing about terminology on the internet.

    :tumbleweed: 

    I mean, who gives that much thought to the haphazard syntax used by Chinese Taobao sellers?

    So long as no one's really planning on pushing the term "factory goods" as a capricious neologism for an arbitrary subset of the collector market, I guess. :tongue: 

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    Who the heck cares how they are called? The problem is that there are not enough of them..
     
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    I tend to say KO these days - Not said Bootleg for years if at all really.
    I don't think Knock off is even seen as especially insulting anymore - likely as some KO's are superior to their original toy.
     
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    Last i checked uncle billy had a pink abominus set in stock.
     
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    Guys do you feel that there aren't enough variety of KOs available compared to maybe 15 years ago?

    In my opinion, there's too many movie KOs around. Most of the time, when you check the usual flea markets, there's always a KO bumblebee or grimlock and not much else. The KO and OS of third party figures are usually available from the same stores that sell the legit items.

    Back then, there are several KO of Energon, Armada and Cybertron figures littered with Beast era like the transmetal optimus for example. Then there's a lof of other stuff like the RiD Megatron.

    Or it's just me.
     
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    I don't use the term "4th party" that often myself, but who cares if others do? As has been said before, other terminology we use here aren't really technically or legally accurate, so have at it.
     
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    Your uncle has what?
     
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    Uncle billy store is a chinese upgrade kit etc seller.
    Didnt find any combiner feet there now.
     
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    I got the Abominus set from Ali in the fall...I'll have a look and see if they still have any when I have a sec.
     
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    This much is true.

    What's funny is how I don't even mentally use the term "knock-off" anymore... I only use the abbreviation, even though it's the same number of syllables. Like, I say and even think "Kay-Oh." Weird. Must be the side-effect of mainly interacting with these terms online.

    I think that the KOs that are available are always going to reflect the most plentiful / most popular line of the moment. The Bayformers movies were HUGE, and many many many movie-themed TFs flooded the market... so KO producers are going to follow those same trends. Until something comes along that eclipses the visibility of the Bay movies (if anything) I'm sure we'll see a disproportionate number of movie-themed KOs.

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    The Live Action Movie (initially) were very popular in China - so it makes sense they'd get a lot of focus.
    Even if now the Live Action Movies are less visible - I find I don't really think about them like "at all" - which can be a problem as it means I forget to buy some key products - when it's out of sight, out of mind like that.

    Also the VAT & other Sales Tax changes & Impoirty duty issues make me less inclined to chase expensive KO's anyway - It just makes so much extra work or expense. It's put me off buying Diaclone completely & I could barely justify the cost before an over night 20% price hike.

    I think I'll stick with Upgrade kits for a while.
     
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    Does anyone know if there is a KO G1 Vintage Megatron figure in works or already out there? As I found a KO g1 Optimus Prime for my shelves. But I have yet to find a KO G1 Megs.
     
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    Today they called me that they release my 2x BPF Magnus that were stuck in customs for a couple months.
    Though I am going to pay a 24% import tax (around 20ish Euro) and a 15 handling fee (%%%%@@@@*&#&#), those two still come lower
    than buying a single original....Even without factoring in the upgrades they have. So.....

    There was the old Destroy Monarch and a couple other obscure ones from back in the day. Nowdays I dont think I saw one.
    I was searching for one 3-4 years ago in order to transplant parts. Never found one barring Destroy Monarchs, and that price I was better off buying a vintage sealed original.... Junker Long Haul eventually had to be amputated further for the greater glory of the Decepticon Empire.
     
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    :jawdropper: 

    That used to happen to me when buying from US webstores, but pretty much never now that I'm buying mostly from China.

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