The G1-Focused Masterpiece Speculation Thread

Discussion in 'Transformers Toy Discussion' started by Superquad7, Dec 1, 2011.

  1. GearsRollo

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    Ohh, other lines, that makes more sense.

    Other lines are a little different too though - it’s probably a lot easier to produce a new DBZ mold than a Masterpiece.
     
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    Well if we’re talking similar looking characters, I guess the Seekers and Coneheads might be our benchmark (different colours, but similar design). While they still fit in, they were pretty successful, based on how much I sold my MP-11SW and TC back in 2016. On the flipside, is the coneheads all going on sale (because of their bad QC? Or lack of popularity?).

    I think the Constructicons had more characterisation in the cartoon compared to any of the coneheads, or Thundercracker and Skywarp. Maybe more than the triple-changers?

    Talking about the retreading of old ground - Devastator has the opposite effect going for him. So ambitious and exciting. That’s a selling point from a marketing viewpoint.

    I’m with BG here all the same, individually even now I wouldn’t be able to name the individual Constructicons on sight. Maybe this is because they were my brother’s toys (and I later bought the awful European ‘G2’ versions which didn’t have names on the cards and couldn’t even combine).
    I know their six names, could probably match them to most of them (Mixmaster’s the cement mixer ;) )

    But Devastator! He’s A list right? Or right under it. Basically had a video game named after him. First release in Hasbro’s recent G1 reissues.


    Good point on the SS movie ones. Could very well be used as a testing ground. I don’t expect them to come in sets.
     
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    People act like they would be trying to sell them at Walmart:D 
    Biggest difference, unlike 3rd partys the reveal would be the combiner, with prototypes of the indiviual members. We wouldn't buy them all at one time but the actual design process would most likely be completed by the time they revealed it. They may never catch SOC in build quality or finish, but engineering is another story. Pulling off MP style triple changers is a heck ofengineering feat.
     
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    That’s an interesting point - that they’d all have to be designed as a group, but probably sold separately. They can’t just package 6 $200 masterpieces in a box and send it out. That’s more than a years output. It makes for a challenge from a resourcing perspective because they’d have to stretch them over 2-3 years, probably with some other characters peppered in there.

    I could see Takara doing it though, especially after this past year of two massive releases on the heels of Dinobot on top of 3 others. Maybe they pushed BW Megs and V3 Prime together to clear the decks for a crazy project like that?
     
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    Fair enough, they are more simple. But it still doesn't change their popularity seemingly being higher than transformers. I'm not just talking about producing figures, but media, as well. Is transformers getting the same overall attention in Japan, that it does here? Doesn't seem like it does. Don't get me wrong, I obviously love this line, and want it to go as long as it can, but it isn't Sentai rangers, Kamen Rider, Godzilla, or Gundam. My point about Dragonball was that it's been down in animation for a couple decades almost, and came back with a vengeance, which transformers hasn't done in a while. Not saying it can't make it's comeback, but where it stands now is closer to bottom of the barrel than most like to admit. The line is very strong right now, no denying that, but I also think Takara knows where they stand with it. Which is why they're aiming higher, trying to be more high end. Now, if they can stop incorporating bad voice gimmicks, that would be great. Light up eyes, great. Larger backpacks because of electronics, not so much. (Not hating, simply stating a truth. ;)  )
     
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    jackisking Yeah, the MP line is soooo dead

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    In fairness, those lines have been traditionally Japanese properties in the first place, Transformers is more of a hybrid line between Takara and Hasbro. It lacks some of the "ours" that those lines have. It's more like a Japanese line with a western twist.
    Blasphemy,:D  I actually love the voice features on BW megatron, reading some of the comments on Wotafa's review, they got a big kick out of them, and I'll think we'll end up seeing on the larger presence characters.
    Dinobot in 2018 proved one thing, they aren't afraid of releasing one new mold and a slew of repaints.
     
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    I'm well aware of what it is, lol. But with the origins of transformers being Japanese, your would think they'd have a larger hold on Japanese consumers. Even the rebooted Diaclone line seems to get more attention than the Masterpiece line.
     
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    This is also why I’m starting to think that maybe it’s not entirely true that Transformers aren’t as popular (though there’s certainly a ton of competition in the big robot realm). There’s a pretty big gap in what we perceive to be desirable here and what happens in the line, and Takara are pretty close-lipped about the nut and bolts.
     
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    What is that based on, exactly?
     
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    jackisking Yeah, the MP line is soooo dead

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    Yeah, but think of us watching Gatchaman or Starblazers or even Macross, while some of us have a connection to it, its nowhere close to something like He-man ,GIJoe, or Marvel/DC comics which have always been western or "ours". At some point we realized that we were watching someone else's cartoons with the Japanese stuff. I think some of that is the same with Transformers which ended up being a dubbed cartoon over there. I think if Transformers, would have been an entirely Japanese creation, it would be in a different spot then it is now. It probably would have been a grittier show more comparable to the Gundam series at the time versus a half-hour of selling toys while wrapping thing up in a positive bow, we got in the west.
     
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    Well most G1 fans know a lot of characters the average 'joe' on the street doesn't, most G1 fans know who Tracks or Skids are but we'd hardly call those A or even B list would we? I know your milage may vary and I'm not putting down anyone's love or nostalgia for the Contructicons, just saying they're a lot less popular as individuals than as a combined whole. Which is something TT are likely to consider in regard to MP Contructicons if they plan on releasing them one at a time.

    Exactly, I can't speak for everyone and maybe it something to do with the way I experienced G1 compared to others (more comic based than show) but I'd not place the individual members in the 'top tier'...I would struggle to tell one from the other tbh. Whereas Devestator, he was iconic, one of the most terrifying weapons in the Decpeticon arsenal. His appearance in TF:TM alone was enough to put him up there in the who's who of Decepticons.

    I'd agree if there wasn't a weird sort of 'fetish' among collectors for seekers, indeed the fact that 'seeker' is a semi fan-made collective term for them says it all. I think collecting them all seems to speaks to the 'army builder' area of collecting. However people do like collecting teams or 'sets', like the Seekers or the Dinobots, the Constructicons certainly have that going for them so...maybe it'd work.

    That's true of course, if it wasn't for the ever looming price issue I'd be on board with it. I just wonder how or if TT would tackle it given the particular 'issues' involved. Only time will tell!
     
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    How can the Constructicons have more characterization than SW or TC if you can’t even place their names to their bodies? Frankly that fact in itself is a little surprising (no insult intended). I think Devy would have to be the main selling point though, his size and presence in multiple media would be the most compelling point. Along with Booster’s army building point. Never underestimate a collector’s ability to finish a team; just look at the 3P fill ins to finish the ark crew or even the 86 movie crew.
     
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    I feel like in episodes such as City of Steel and The Master Builders each individual Constructicon had a distinct personality trait. A little more depth than Skywarp and Thundercracker.
    It is kinda funny how my mind works though!
     
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    I have to say, my interest in G1 MP is seriously fading.

    I need some kind of sub-team I know they will work on for awhile to bring my interest back...

    Insecticons, Dinobots, Constructions, Reflector, or maybe 86 movie?
     
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    I agree on The Master Builders. Long Haul felt underappreciated, Bonecrusher was constantly itching for a fight, Hook was his usual smooth condescending self, Scavenger oddly tried hard to impress Grapple (though he may have just been playing his part too well), Mixmaster was just insane, and Scrapper channeled his inner diplomat. I’d say that episode was as much a spotlight for them as it was for Grapple and Hoist. If they make Hook I really hope he comes with that steel beam he holds while transforming. It’s seared into memory by the season 2 end credits.

    The current toon aesthetic would present some challenges in design. Are we desiring something identical to the animation model? If so, Scrapper and Mixmaster will probably present the biggest problems.
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    I mean, look at that? There aren’t even any defined knees.

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    Maybe something more like this would be effective.

    Credit to DarthScholz on deviantart
     
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    That’s a very interesting point of view. Maybe it’s because I’m Canadian but GI Joe and He-Man didn’t mean nearly as much as Transformers, Macross and Gatchaman to me as a kid. I was obsessed with the Japanese robot shows and I only had a passing interest and very few toys of G.I. Joe and He-Man. To the point where I find it completely bizarre that adults would collect He-Man stuff in particular. Transformers and Macross I totally get, but He-Man baffles me. :) 

    I work in Mechanical Design so it may be that I’m more interested in the robots because they’re machines. So it may be just me. I’m way more interested in the engineering of the joints and the transformation in a typical MP figure than the proportions and face sculpts. I see Transformers as alien machines so I couldn’t care less that the arms are too long on MP-10 or if a face sculpt isn’t quite perfect. That may also explain why I’m a Takara Fan Boy. They typically have the most genius transformations and joints which is the most important thing to me as a collector.

    Sorry for the long and possibly off topic post! Back on topic, the Constructicons and Decepticon triple changers are way more important to me than the seekers or insecticons. Personally I would be shocked if we didn’t eventually get those characters.

    Sam, I’m horrified that you don’t think you could name the individual constructicons! Say it ain’t so! I may have to take your MP Fan Card away!

    I kid! I kid! Kind of!
     
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    jackisking Yeah, the MP line is soooo dead

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    Here Robotech was the only thing that came on at normal viewing hours between 7 and 7:30 am, which made watching it kind of hard during spring break. My mom use to leave for work at about 6:00 and if I was woke I could catch Starblazers after Jimmy Swaggert, but even then they would air it only on Mondays or some nonsense like that.
     
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    Haha, take away my G1 fan card, but I’m keeping the MP one ;) 
    If we get MP Devastator and I still don’t know who’s who, then you revoke my membership :lol 
     
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    In the Hasui-age, I think Dev would have looked a lot like v2 Constructor, but with the colors all in the correct places. Now, I don't know what they would hypothetically do...I know what they will actually do...they just won't bother. But IF they did him, I don't know how they'd handle it. Making THAT and having it functional and accurate in all modes is pretty much impossible.

    To be fair, I used to get Scavenger and Scrapper mixed up. And I still get Slag and Snarl mixed up. Must be all the damn S names... Swoop was always easy to remember. I think I used to mix up Sludge, too...but somewhere along the 3rd Party Dinobots, I got him straightened out.
     
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    How can you remember when the shows were on? I have no clue. It think Transformers was on after school for me which was perfect. No clue when Robotech was on. Saturday mornings were huge for me. It was like 6 hours straight of cartoons advertising toys. I have no doubt I was brainwashed so badly it’s why I’m still collecting today.

    My son is lukewarm on the G1 Transformers show but we started watching Robotech remastered on Prime last weekend and he loves it.
     
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