The G1-Focused Masterpiece Speculation Thread

Discussion in 'Transformers Toy Discussion' started by Superquad7, Dec 1, 2011.

  1. GearsRollo

    GearsRollo Well-Known Member

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    Okay, except...

    -Lawyers, executives to run the business, and related support staff.

    -Development teams with standards they have to adhere to - safety, product, workplace safety, etc.

    -Production time.

    -Design time.

    -QC - 3-5 releases a year can be a challenge, most 3Ps can't even hit Takara's level at maybe 2/year.

    -The lawyers and engineers Takara has to waste on examining 3P stuff for actionable theft every year.

    -Cost of moulds and production staff - getting a fly-by-night factory in China to produce something is easy, getting them to do it well consistently is not, as many 3Ps have found.

    -Oh, and the big one: The very real possibility of alienating the fan base with too many releases.

    You might be able to afford 12 figures a year, and that's cool, but most collectors can't. This happens over and over with premium lines where as soon as the fans get as many releases as they want, the line starts to die because collectors get to a point where they don't have the pocket money to spend on the maximized releases. Then you have a general breakdown of quality because a majority of fans are skipping most figures. They're not going to make them less expensive and now, and if they did, we'd all lose our minds at the drop in quality. Then there's a rise in QC problems (not the minor crap we see now, but major, mass-production problems).

    That's what happens when you force a line like this to up their numbers by a factor of 3.
     
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  2. SunSwipe5

    SunSwipe5 Twin Hellion Masters Of Jet Judo

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    My 5 Biggest MP Grails yet to be made:

    Jazz
    Mirage
    CJ
    Blurr
    Chromia


    I'm sticking to my plan of buying no less than 5 MP Jazz, when Takara graces us with his presence. :D 
     
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  3. Backpack

    Backpack G1 forever.

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    Not sure what point you are trying to make with most of that. Yes it cost money to produce a product. What's being discussed is what themarket will bare and how much that market is already spending. A single release a month is nothing compared to what they are doing as as a whole. But just taking MPs, this year we got..... Thrust Grapple Megatron Cheetor Dirge 4 tapes Sunstreaker movie Optimus and Bumblebee, not to mention the ton of reissues. Counting just the new stuff that's 10 this year. And, your argument is that 2 more would ruin everything ?

    I only set aside $60 a week for collecting. That's $240 a month, more than enough for nearly any MP. Honestly if that's out of reach for most collectors l'd be shocked.
     
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  4. GearsRollo

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    The point is that Takara has much more significant costs that they have to consider, and the market won't actually bare what you're asking for, nor would they. They'd have to expand the MP design team as well as related staff, and that's a surefire way to kill things like quality.

    They only put out 3ish new moulds - like all-new characters - every year, plus the MPMs now. Repaints are much less to put together, even remoulds released as exclusives through the Hasbro Asia side. The MPMs have infamously taken up space in the schedule, so that's MPM Bee and Optimus, Megatron, Sunstreaker, Cheetor. 5 is actually quite a bit.

    Repaints/Remoulds released are more because the work is already done. On that front, we've got Grapple, Artfire, Legendary Convoy.

    Then, from the exclusive side, you've got Coneheads, which are a different kettle of fish, because the design beyond the wings was done ages ago.
     
  5. Backpack

    Backpack G1 forever.

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    l'd never argue the point Takara as an official law abiding company does't come at a higher cost. And, getting a release every month is not the same as asking for a new mold each time. I mean l don't count lnferno Grapple and Artfire as one release. The MP line is ever growing and seems to successful, so much so Takara even asked in their survey if we wanted a speed up in the release schedule. To me that says they are seeing it much the way I do.
     
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    You understand the point though, right? It’s important to understand what you’re asking for. They may permanently up the output of the line to the three main generations and each get 2/year, and then have repaints and remould aplenty, that’s different than 12 new pieces per year. Half of the releases you referenced are secondary uses (hell more in the case of conheads) to maximize value of the core mould.
     
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    So if my comparisons are close to accurate, Dinobot should be around the height of Shockwave. So I'm completely in agreement of this shouldn't cost any more than Megatron. Less sales or not, beast wars has its following, especially in Japan, where they made 2 shows waiting for seasons 2 and 3, if my understanding of the situation is right. This feels like a huge cash grab to me. The base isn't a necessary addition at all, so that feels like monetary filler. The complexity doesn't look that much different from Megatron, so parts count and production cost doesn't really explain it. Idk, something just feels very off about this release. Even if they are for some reason accounting for lower sales, that shouldn't push this into the $200 USD range. I think the price they put this at is what's going to destroy the sales, not is following.
     
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  8. Scowly Prowl

    Scowly Prowl Still calculating variables...

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    Wow. I'm not into BW, but I would pick up Dinobot just to see how this all works. That alt mode to that bot mode? I don't care if the tail comes off, I want to see this all come together.
     
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  9. Sinestro00

    Sinestro00 When the Curtain Falls

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    So, true MP-scale Arielbots were announced rather than another Devastator by FansToys. Wonder if they know an official set of Constructicons is right around the corner and wanted to avoid direct competition in the sales space?
     
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    Ooooo, intriguing theory, especially considering we already New fanstoys had a Devastator coming.

    Would also play into rumors that myself and others have heard in the past
     
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  11. jackisking

    jackisking Yeah, the MP line is soooo dead

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    I have my money on DX9. From what I understand they work pretty quick but haven't showed any other stunticons off...stunticons almost seeker size in altmode. I could see them teasing a scramble city superion. I thing Takara will go with something big due to the schedule... but we'll have to wait and see. I've never thoughtcombiners were impossible for them because, we have seen with the last couple of releases putting out expensive items doesn't scare them.
     
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    Makes sense. If, and a big if, TT does Devastator, it’s success will lead to other combiners. 3P need to rush and make the other combiners before TT get to them. Superion, Menasor, and Bruticus are about to flood the bootleg market methinks.
     
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  13. jackisking

    jackisking Yeah, the MP line is soooo dead

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    Devastator before the diaclones?I think the diaclones, 86 movie bots and the minbots are most what I want them to finish at this point.I can kind of live if they never got to the other stuff. I'd be disappointed, but the car and moviebots I consider must haves...and Grimlock
     
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    Everyone does know that Devastator was originally a diaclone right...?
     
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  15. jackisking

    jackisking Yeah, the MP line is soooo dead

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    Mochiron desu!! Uh yeah I would be glad to have one if the diaclone were done. I would have less of a problem with what it's looking like,1 G1 MP a year. Thought dinobot was bad MP-45 masterpiece devastator 65000yen giftset
     
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    And so was Raiden.
     
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    I'd love to know the numbers. Looking at folk's collection pics though I see FansToys Skyfire pop-up more than, say, Road Rage or that Wheeljack repaint I forgot the name of. Sure, I'm comparing a major character with a non-character but that's where there's probably some similarity in numbers produced. No 3rd party is going to shift MP-10 numbers of course.

    Even though the TT releases see a wider release the MP line attracts the kinds of collectors who can't possibly be oblivious to the 3rd party releases at this stage so companies like Fanstoys already piggyback off Takara's market and even the most stubborn of anti-3rd party collectors have to admit that some 3rd party releases look pretty damned good on a shelf next to the real things.
     
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  18. GearsRollo

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    Don’t forget that as a group, this board is largely going to skew towards western folk, and 3P has a bigger presence amongst us. Also, while any cartoon character that hasn’t been done by TT is going to sell better, it’s also easy for a small number of people to dominate an online social community with content like photos, which can skew our collective perspective.
     
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    Oh for sure - though I still see 3rd party news coming across from Japanese or Chinese message boards regularly. If you're a big enough fan to spend MP cash on figures though I'm saying there's also a good chance you'd also follow TF/MP news and 3rd party news gets swept up along the way on many sites.

    All fun conjecture of course. :) 
     
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  20. kibble

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    For those minor repaints, the numbers probably aren't too far off from the popular 3rd Party figs. If TT can do an easy repaint, it can still be worth their while to do a 3rd Party size run. But I don't think it's worth their while to do a new mold at those numbers.

    Maybe...but more likely they're just trying to compete with Zeta and a current product. There's more to gain by releasing Superion and try to take sales from the competition. The competing Dev is already done and sold so anyone that's buying one or the other has already bought for the most part.
     
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