Discussion in 'Transformers Toy Discussion' started by Superquad7, Dec 1, 2011.
Is that MPP-27?
Darn I wish they'd make him and MPP-28 at regular scale!
wonder if the engineering would work at a smaller scale.
Comparing that to the photo of the actual van right above it, the mirrors are not the correct design. To my mind, it's just as inaccurate as having no mirrors at all, and not preferable.
Yea. Looks like the mirrors partsform too. Would rather have no mirrors than partsforming mirrors, or something tust wouldve added extra engineering to the mold.
To be fair, it's not like Sam's pic was the only mirrors a Vanette has ever had. It's just his pic had Ironhide's deco. Here's one closer to that toy:
Do you think next week we will be punished & enslaved ?
Great, so instead of having ugly mirrors sticking forward out of his chest we could've had mirrors sticking out of the hip flaps - I'm sure that would have made them even more palatable for some
Fwiw I have no problem at all with the mirrors on Wheeljack's legs or the one mirror sticking out of Bumblebee's side. Tiny details like that don't detract from the robot mode as much as a vehicle without mirrors detracts from the vehicle mode. Imho, of course.
I agree about the mirrors on 'Bee and Wheeljack, but I feel like the robot mode needs and aesthetic ultimately have to trump fine details on the vehicle mode to make a successful Transformer.
There's a million reasons that a detail like that could be omitted, but at the end of the day, Transformers are robots that turn into cars. They're robots first, and while some minors things like mirrors might not allow the car to be perfect, if it's a toss-up between vehicle mode details and robot mode, it'd be a shame to make a bad robot mode to serve the car accuracy.
No news yet!? Come On Masterpiece Beast Wars Scorpinok!!!!
Kidding! Prob gonna be dinobot or trailbreaker, but I'm hoping for a triple changer soon....
There's a reason why alt mode is called just that! Bot mode is the "true" form of the characters, and I too feel that bot mode concerns should always win out over alt mode concerns. But bot mode always has, and likely always will, be infinitely more important to me, so of course I feel that way!
But looking at the inverse of that, as robots, they can kind of look like anything and still be okay. If Wheeljack has mirrors sticking out of his legs, well, there's nothing wrong with that, he's a robot. But if a car is lacking mirrors or taillights, then that's wrong.
For me it comes down to this: they're still toys. While Masterpiece is a more premium line and I most certainly appreciate as much accuracy as possible in both modes, I also appreciate that there are limitations that need to be observed in order to keep these figures functional and affordable within the established scale.
Along with this, the alt modes are still much more complete and realistic than the original G1 toys. Growing up with those as the only option gives me tremendous appreciation for what Takara Tomy is giving us with Masterpiece. There will always be something to nitpick, but I'd rather put that time and energy into enjoying the best damn versions of G1 characters we've seen yet and that I've dreamed of since 1984.
Stuff like that would bother me more on the street/race cars. On the Vans and fusos not so much.If Trailbreaker/ Hoist have mirrors so be it, if no big whoop.
I hear ya, but since I keep my MPs in bot mode 99% of the time, bot mode accuracy goes much, much, much further with me than alt mode accuracy. In fact, even though Wheeljack's and Bumblebee's mirrors hold pretty well in their slots, since I leave them in bot mode, I've just put the mirrors back in the box (did the same for Tracks, but little choice there, his mirrors won't stay in place for anything, but again, not a concern for bot mode). If I had a preference for alt mode (or even felt 50/50), I'd probably feel as you do about it.
And, see, I look at it the other way: the mirrors don't make Wheeljack inaccurate, they make him more complete. I see it as, the mirrors were omitted from the cartoon because drawing them in would have taken too long or been too complicated. He turns into a car, obviously he has mirrors, obviously those mirrors go somewhere when he transforms, his legs is where they go.
In a perfect world, the mirrors on all these guys (who have or would have visible mirrors in robot mode) would just fold away under little panels. Wheeljack's would fold into little pockets on his legs, Bumblebee's would swivel up under his windshield piece, Ironhide's windshield could flip open and let the mirrors fold away under it, etc.
Not at all cost effective, of course. And me, I don't care one way or the other about the mirrors (don't resent 'em on Wheeljack/Bumblebee, don't miss 'em on Ironhide). But fold-away mirrors would have been the best of both worlds.
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