The G1-Focused Masterpiece Speculation Thread

Discussion in 'Transformers Toy Discussion' started by Superquad7, Dec 1, 2011.

  1. Autobot Dave

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    I'm great with the pace, myself, gents. It also helps save space, my wallet, and in extreme cases, my life, that I don't collect EVERY MP that comes out.

    I hope, if the Thundercracker rumor's true, he has 'toon accurate paint. While I don't like the Seeker mold, I'll buy them if the deco's right. And my Decepticons could use some help.

    Have fun, gang!
     
  2. Enterlaw

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    Looking at the art of G1, I can see that the Ratchet's head, hips, lightbar are basically the biggest changes that I can spot.

    Bet you we see a "bayverse" bright green Ratchet repaint down the road.

    I don't really agree, but I suppose different strokes for different folks. Look, if you REALLY want an MP Hound and you don't know for sure if TT is ever going to make one, then you'll probably buy a 3rd Party, right? But what about when TT releases one? Do you buy that too? I would (although I don't buy 3rd party, personally). It doesn't rob TT of money directly, but it does a) rob TT of their intellectual property and b) it somewhat ruins the reveal of the "official" MP. Like, when we got MP Grimlock, that was an MP GRIMLOCK!!!!! If TT comes out w/ an MP Swoop, even if it's fantastic, well, we've already seen a fantastic one. Maybe it's better by degrees or slightly worse (whatever those degrees would mean to you), but it's less thrilling. Like, I guarantee you, if TT announced an MP (I'm trying to think of someone who hasn't been solicited by either TT or and 3rd Party) Trailbreaker, people would be more excited. Not to say that they wouldn't be excited by MP Jazz (I'd explode), but we already saw a proto-type of a 3rd Party NOT-Jazz.

    I doubt 3rd party's make a huge dent in TT's overall sales, but I bet there's SOME sort of effect at their MP Transformers level. SOME people are bound to buy 3rd party products and NOT buy the corresponding TT MP for one reason or another.

    Oh, I bet they care. I mean, these aren't companies building their own, never-before-seen transforming robots, these are companies stealing their IP. But, also, TT is STILL making Transformers, so the damage can't be that bad.

    That's all well and good, but you can't assume that everyone's like you.

    Most of the 3rd Party companies are in China which has an AWFUL record of other countries IP laws. I wouldn't be surprised if Hasbro/TT have TRIED to sue, but good luck. In the current political climate, those are loser cases. I mean, they have a company making fake APPLE stores and selling NON Apple products as Apple products (true knockoffs) and Apple can't shut that down. So believe me, this isn't because the 3rd party's are benefiting them.

    I disagree with "get the word out" about Transformers. I mean, the only reason we KNOW about 3rd Party Transformers is b/c we ALREADY KNOW WHERE TO FIND THE WORD ABOUT TRANSFORMERS (this site, for example).

    I disagree, I think this is Hasbro ABSOLUTELY playing it smart. We're talking about Botcon, a conference to celebrate a brand that Hasbro has pumped MILLIONS of dollars into. Something I think I can reasonably say that EVERYONE on this board REALLY enjoys (I mean, we argue about Jazz's door wings... over YEARS), and now they should be expected to just welcome anyone who's stealing their IP? That's SOUND strategy. Hell, I'd go one step further, have a team of lawyers and whichever agencies need to be there Customs/FBI depending on where the items are coming from to seize all 3rd party items and serve those showing them off with Trademark Infringement. That's strategy. I mean, sure, some people might get pissed off, but I think Hasbro would survive. It's not like you wouldn't be able to order your 3rd party product elsewhere. Should Hasbro, the centerpiece presenter of the Botcon, arguably one of the bigger draws, be used to promote people ripping them off? Sheesh.


    I agree. The child in me WANTS all of these NOW NOW NOW. But the adult in me is enjoying the reveals as they come. I just wish they were spread out more evenly throughout the year instead as, like, all at once (this is how is feels to me).

    I'm calling it now, Ironhide $95.
     
  3. TigerBlade

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    What if Soundwave was already heavily designed but planned as a later release. He was delayed and MP14 came before him too. A little odd don't you think?

    Do you not think they have a boat load of characters already designed/heavily designed awaiting a designation or do you think they just sit around all day plaiting their pubes waiting for a suit to give them a green light on who they are allowed to design next. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is what is happening as Gospel but it's food for thought. No matter how ridiculous you may think. Afterall, Galvatron is rumoured to have been coming for years, for all we know he has been finished but keeps getting bumped down the list for new license acquisitions or other things getting Stack'd ahead of him.

    Also Ratchet needs a red comic head.
     
  4. Booster Gold

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    Sure it would be explained away as this guy...

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    No doubt.
     
  5. Yeled

    Yeled Grimlock is King

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    This is fair enough but, what are your thoughts on why Hasbro allows retailers to carry the 3P figures. It would be easy to write cease and desist letters to BBTS, TFSource, Captured Prey, Ebay, Chosen Prime, Toy Dojo, Dubktoys, Kapow, etc. and take out the major suppliers in western countries. Notice that none of the Japanese stores sell 3P products. It would likely be impossible for Hasbro to shut down all sources available in the west, but it would be relatively easy to make it much harder for western buyers to get 3P product.

    Surely they have thought of this strategy. Why don't they pursue it?
     
  6. Sixo

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    I really don't think we will. If we do, it will be a first for the MP line, at least! As always, I guess anything's possible.

    Fair point in that it was probably wrong of me to imply that they don't care at all, but I still maintain that they don't care enough and stand by my original point. If they wanted to shut it down, they could. More on that below...

    I don't and never have done. Hence why I said that my conclusions in this case were based purely on my own experiences, acknowledging that others are likely different.

    I take your point as above, and you may well be right about goings on behind the scenes, but even then Hasbro could surely stop BBTS, TF Source and any of the other US-based retailers that are selling these items, should they wish. It's one thing to stop people bringing 3Ps to an official convention, that's kind of obvious, but they haven't actually gone out of their way to stop the flow of 3P products in any way that we know of, at least.

    Either way, it's all speculation on our part, I guess, as with so much of this curious hobby. I'm enjoying the conversation though. :) 
     
  7. Sixo

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    Damn you for stealing my argument. :p  ;) 
     
  8. Yeled

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    Who are you and what have you done with Sixo? Sixo's avatar is yellow. You aren't toon accurate at all.
     
  9. Autobot Dave

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    You got me here. "Get the word out" was the wrong choice of words. But 3rd party figures are scrutinized as much as Hasbro and TT's. And, as is the case with MPs, people are constantly seeing 3rd party ones and thinking, "I wonder if TT will do it better."

    Hey, I'm with you on the IP thing. I wish Hasbro stopped 3rd parties when they first started. All they do is dilute the official brand. And from a legal sense, you're obviously - because you know stuff - 100% correct. The problem is people's minds don't work in a legal sense. And people's minds are where everything happens.

    Sound strategy - again because they didn't nip it in the bud when 3rd parties first showed up - is to embrace them. By banning them, Hasbro's legitimizing the existence of 3rd parties. If they didn't ban them, they wouldn't have to mention 3rd parties at all. And it wouldn't have galvanized the 3rd party community like it obviously did.

    Had Hasbro nipped this in the bud from the very beginning - which is what sound strategic AND legal minds would've done - they wouldn't have allowed 3rd parties to balloon like they did. At this point, the smart money's on letting fans be fans - 3rd party or otherwise - and hope the monster they allowed kills itself.

    It's not legal. It's psychological. And I don't like it any more than you do.

    Of course, I could be wrong. But if I am, why hasn't - as Yeled asked - Hasbro sent cease and desist letters to online retailers? Are they having second thoughts on things like bans? And now this thing's TOTALLY derailed.

    And my brain's hurt and I'm hungry. Thanks a lot, Enterlaw! :D 

    Have fun, gang!
     
  10. Sixo

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    :lol 

    I'm the third party black repaint of Sixo. I'm unlicensed but lots of fun. :D 

    I do see your point here, and it's an interesting point. They have definitely left it to go on too long if they do plan to try and curb it now.

    Honestly, at this point, if I was HasTak, I'd be finding out how to hire some of the 3P designers and make them work for me. Probably the best way to take the wind out of third party is to produce better figures than them, after all.

    On another point, I will say one thing that I definitely agree with from that article about Botcon - 'third party' is a very strange term.
     
  11. Dean ML

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    Oh, man, after a long lull, this thread sure has gotten fun again this last week :) 

    I have to say, though, even with Optimus Primal's reveal, it still looks like the line is sticking to the formula of "real car series" and A-list leader characters. It's looking like we'll see Armada Optimus before we see Insecticons or Kup.
     
  12. Mrmwforce

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    Just this year I fell into the 3rd party trap and boy did I fall hard!! Between FansToys, Xtransbots, and KFC my collecting habits more than tripled. 3rd party is a dangerous path but I am LOVING it! Official MP is still my first love and I would prefer all my G1 MPs to be official Takara MPs but some 3rd party figs are amazing!
     
  13. Flash1087

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    Man, thinking about Ironhide's price kinda bummed me out. I can usually land the carbots on eBay for $60-$70 shipped, and I guess I forgot Ironhide was gonna be a little bigger so he'll cost just that much more. He's still worth every penny, but I guess I'll have to step into that brave new world of paying more than $70 max for any one Masterpiece.

    It does go without saying that I don't own many MPs. :D 
     
  14. DPrime

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    Oh, don't get me wrong - I don't either. I do think they're more likely than MP Dinobots, though. Regardless, I am thinking 5+ years down the line. :) 

    I gotta say, though... Seeing them in the Generations line makes me think they're a BIT more likely than they were...

    Well, based on that statue/concept thing they showed, he seems to be VERY early in the works... I'm kind of surprised they showed that, now that I think of it. We really have no idea how it's going to turn out, based on that...

    But regardless, the info probably just didn't trickle down to the informants yet, that's all.

    lol, I'm with you. I find it helpful to be picky - I still haven't bought anything from XTransbots and KFC, no matter how good Appolyon and Transistor looked. I seem to buy everything from FansToys though... Their Hound is the only preorder I've hesitated on, since it seems such a likely choice for Takara. I'll probably end up biting, though. BadCube's another good one.

    I am interested to hear Enterlaw's opinion on why Hasbro hasn't sent C&D letters... that was a good point.
     
  15. chucksbikeorama

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  16. Ramberk Magnus

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    I would totally be down with an Armada Optimus. As long as Takara fleshes it out with more MP Armada figures. It could totally be a tiny line with just 5-10 releases.

    Having said that, I'm tired with Japan/Takara's obsession with Convoy. Yes, he's the leader and main hero but I can't stand a collection that only has him and maybe a few others. These franchises are fun because they are filled with a ton of characters that will never have the spotlight and are never the main hero/villain. /End Rant.
     
  17. DPrime

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    Ugh, Armada anything would be a big pass from me.

    I watched Beast Wars as a teenager so there's some nostalgia there, I guess. Not to the same level as G1 but it's there, plus it helps that the storyline fit right into G1 and had terrific writing.

    But Armada? Apologies to anyone who grew up with it, but I thought that show was just terrible. Even Bay's movies were better. :) 
     
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    The only reason I discovered MP figures was I saw Hercules on eBay when I was looking for G1 devastator. I saw the G1 toy and was like "this is not what I remember as a kid". Then I saw Herc and thought "this is more like it". I started doing research and found/bought Giant. Then MP Sun Storm from my local TRU. 1 year later I have almost 4 full detolfs mixed with MP and 3P MP stand-ins. I would have been completely oblivious to the whole line, if not for Herc. And I don't buy CHUG toys. I'm 35; I dont do toys. My kids do. HasTak would have no money from me, if not for that fateful day.

    Edit... Come on MP shockwave :) 
     
  19. Enterlaw

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    Honestly? I have no idea. Unless, maybe the U.S. based online retailers make more money for them then they'd want to risk losing. But even that's a total guess. I have no idea. I mean, we send C&D letters to retailers selling knock offs or infringing on our IP all the time.
     
  20. Deruji

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    You can check TakaraTomy's annual report. There you can see where it actually stands, and Transformers are definitely not the biggest player for TakaraTomy.