The G.I. Joe Thread

Discussion in 'The Toyark' started by F18Starscream, Jul 10, 2009.

  1. mark4flair

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    Found a new batch of Classified series listings in Walmart’s computer, unfortunately they use code names.

    I don’t know if @SilverOptimus would be interested in posting these over at Hisstank.

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    I loved BF2000 as a kid, and looking at your photos reflects to me that while the 25th era was exciting to collect, it wasn’t a very good line to me that was exciting to have once the excitement of obtaining them wore off.

    I know most of these were the club’s offering, but Hasbro was guilty of this too from the get-go — The 25th line was expanded with a design approach of “eh, it’s close enough, just paint it in the character’s recognizable colors and call it a day.”

    I’m not saying this to damper anyone else’s enjoyment of the toys, but it’s the reason I bailed on the line.
     
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    The annoying thing is they released better versions of certain figures, Spirit, in stupid Marauders colors, and presumably intended to get around to a regular release, like Tunnel Rat, Hit n’ Run and Flootloose that became impossible to get. Still kind of pissed of those were so hard to get your hands on. Not to mention a better version of Chuckles.

    Speaking of which just started the Last Laugh and it’s awesome.
     
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    There are some great figures in the line, but for me it’s why POC is so much better than the 25th’s RAH recreations — I’d prefer new designs of a character over a “close enough” attempt at recreating an existing design.
     
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    I like both myself.
     
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    If the line does well enough, hopefully we can have our proverbial cake and eat it to, ala ML waves mixing MCU and comic styles.
     
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    I don’t know why but I am just working under the assumption we’re getting our cake and eating it too. I just cannot fathom Hasbro not doing ARAH designs.
     
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    I don’t mean to infer I didn’t enjoy the 25th. I owned EVERYTHING from the line, starting in 2007 until it’s retail conclusion at TRU, including the con sets, and huge amounts of troop builders to boot. My compulsion with buying Joes was unrivaled.

    I mean it more as in retrospect — how I feel about the toys after the line ended, where it’s warts became evident after the excitement of the line had worn off.
     
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    I feel the same way. I would have absolutely been in the CC sub is it wasn’t what it was. Too much corner-cutting, I still want a decent Budo without a giant helmet. I don’t understand how Mattel can run a sub-line with MOTU with a lot of new tooling for a decade and Hasbro has to insult fans with a strict repaint-only subscription line. I mean what in the actual fuck am I paying for. POC was the last real strong attempt before Classified.
     
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    Man, $172... but what else can you expect from a textbook company?
     
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  14. Laser_Optimus

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    Well, comparing the GI Joe CC to the MOTUC Classics sub from Mattel really isn't fair. I'm not denying that the Joe CC had an insane amount of corner-cutting, but I think the issue here had a lot to do with it being run by FunPub and much like their Transformers CC they were pretty limited in what they could do here since Hasbro wasn't putting anything towards the line financially. It was basically up to FunPub to foot the bill which led to very few newly tooled parts in comparison to the mainline which lead to all the Franken-Joes we saw in the CC. Mattel's MOTU Classics on the other hand... was entirely funded by Mattel which meant there was a lot of room for unique sculpting per figure, etc. and even then they still had plenty of parts reuse and on top of that Mattel also made it so the project wouldn't continue in later years if they didn't get a certain number of subscription holders to guarantee a certain number of sales. All of that really puts MOTUC in a better position than the GI Joe CC. I mean... the fact alone that Mattel was funding MOTUC alone whereas FunPub was funding the Joe CC makes a world of difference in itself.
     
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    A lot of it has to do with ambition being cut at the top. The design team at the time tried a lot of things that have yet to be revealed years later but would be the stuff of legend for the brand. They were far more ambitious than anyone ever gave them credit for and the concept vaults at Joecon were just glimpses.

    The ROC line really did them in at the retail level. Things are different these days with online sales being more common and fan-channel exclusives becoming more common opportunities to grab toys. So maybe the brand has a better shot now, I don't know.

    I largely agree with what you said about the 25th as the figures didn't age well by the time their later POC/30th/Retaliation Ultimate/50th counterparts arrived.
     
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    Hasbro needs to figure out how to partner with their hardcore fanbase. Retail and niche collectors aren’t mutually exclusive. I think MOTU is a good example, they appease the base pretty well and I imagine they are going to show up for the new retail figures. Whether the new Netflix show can garner any new fans / sales who knows.

    I didn’t know that but... that’s a stupid move. Why wouldn’t you fund your subscription line. It only makes Hasbro look half-assed. I bet I am not the only one who looked and that mediocre line-up and chalked it up to Hasbro being Hasbro.
     
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    I’ve been surprised by how I’ve treated the 19.99 price point. I’m not a completionist, but I see myself buying more of the new Joe figures than not, particularly the various viper specialists. The 19.99 price point for the Joes isn’t much of a concern. I don’t collect ML, but if Age of Apocalypse Weapon X is $20 bucks, then I guess I’m ok with Destro being $20. And yet, despite some outstanding figures in Siege and Earthrise, I’ve really been holding off on buying those without discretion. I have no particular connection to Spinister, but I see more value in a $20 hunk of plastic that is both a robot and a helicopter versus a Scottish Arms Manufacturer. But I haven’t bought Spinister, and I have ordered Destro for myself and as gifts for friends. I think it is because I’ve been back in TF collecting since Transformers Prime, and at a deep, subconscious level, I have a hard time reconciling a deluxe at $20 when I was able to buy Vehicons at Big Lots for 7.99. I know why the prices have risen. I know that the Titans Return Top Spin and Twin Twist were much better figures than the FOC/WFC wreckers. But I’m being frugal and looking for sales on TFs while throwing my wallet at Hasbro Pulse for Joes. And I like TFs better. Maybe it is just that they are new?

    Will your Joe purchases impact your TF budget?
     
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    While I agree I believe that's how all their deals with FunPub went for both Transformers and GI Joe. Any new parts FunPub had to foot the bill for whether we're talking convention or collector's club. They were also limited by what Hasbro made available to them as far as existing toolings were concerned too. I'm not sure why Hasbro didn't put any funding into these thenselves, but I'd wager it's because they saw the TFCC and JCC as small niche offerings.
     
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    Hasbro corporate has been skiddish on Joes for years. If not for Dwight Stall sculpting the lV2 visor Snake Eyes/hooded Storm Shadow portraits, the 25th offerings would've just been the 2 initial 5 packs.

    As for not funding Funpub exclusives, I think it's because Funpub had a contractual license with Hasbro and Hasbro doesn't own them. IIRC, any unique tooling Funpub made for JCC exclusives wasn't made to last as well, just long enough to produce the number of exclusives needed, then the steel molds recycled to use for something else. So they tooled what they could add onto the existing library Hasbro provided. At least that's how I understood it.

    There were only a few JCC Joes I found appealing, a lot of them had disproportionate mismatched bodies
     
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    Yup that’s my whole point Hasbro does a terrible job managing the brand. There must be no institutional knowledge left and they aren’t considering the niche market, which I understand given their business model but... It’s not that hard and it keeps the brand on a slow simmer for when you do want to relaunch something. They should consider getting one or two people that go to shows, interact with fans and rep the brand.
     
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