The first TF show you ever watched; what would you change?

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    It think it’s pretty true for all of us here that the first tf series we saw and got us into the franchise, it holds special place for each of us in some way. But obviously as we get older, we see more of its faults and what it might realistically be like, even if we still treasure it. So it’s a simple thing to note out; the show you first watched; what would you change about it now if you could? How would you make it better so it meets the expectations you may have once had for it?


    For me, it is Armada, which I still do love but yeah, plenty I would change.

    -obviously, clean up all the animation/dubbing errors

    -carry over some of the Hasbro repaint designs(like face colors of megs/demolishor)

    -sideways’ black “autobot” helmet would be his only one and just his faction symbol would change

    -size consistency for tidal wave

    -a bit more emphasis on the mini-cons as individuals and their view of the war(like the comics)

    -have the skyboom shield look like its normal configuration so it matches the other weapons’ designs

    -downplay the annoyingness of the kids a bit, sometimes they were onscreen a bit too much(and fred’s food whining)

    -just after stasrcream switches sides, I’d actually introduce skywarp into the series itself, while also bringing in overload as an actual character.

    - some more pre-earth flashbacks would have been nice, especially showing the cons.

    -the mini-con power ups/color changes would affect optimus, jetfire, hot shot, megatron, starscream and tidal wave(who was actually present in that ep and would get his hasbro colors). Leaving red alert and demolishor out since I never liked their recolors.

    -More cameos from armada toy only characters on cybertron.

    -maybe a running joke of cons accidentally still calling galavatron megatron(cause after millions of years, you really think a new name is gonna stick after a few days)


    So, what are yours?
     
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    the first show from my time that i watched or the first show i watched in general ?
     
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    I got into Transformers through the 2007 film.:p  I can't really remember which was the first cartoon I watched.:confused: 
     
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    I’d give beast wars season 1 more environmental detail as the areas in the first season were sparse. Not the fault of mainframe though since they blew most of their budget on the character designs.
     
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    First TF show i ever watched was the Sunbow cartoon, there's probably a billion things we'd agree to change about it, so i'll focus only in the first two epsodes i watched
    More Than Meets The Eye Part 1:
    -No flying Autobots, while at it, don't make Megatron and Soundwave fly either
    -Add a scene where the Ark and the Nemesis do a hyperspace jump, as opposed to them simply ending up on Earth
    -Have Teletraan-1 repair both Bots and Cons by itself rather than the former happening only because of Starscream
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    S.O.S Dinobots:
    -Really really nerf Hound's holograms, it's way too much for me
    -Have Vector Sigma be introduced this episode so the Dinobots aren't simply built completely from scratch
    -More controversial, downplay the Dinobots are dumb, can still have them be brute and disobedient though
     
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    This is exactly what I was going to say. It's a stupid pet-peave of mine but this drives me nuts in the cartoon, especially Megs and Soundwave. They both transform into small objects, couldn't they have done a quick animation of them transforming and landing in the cockpit of one of the seekers as transport? I dislike the flying for anyone but the characters with forms that fly. Giant robots shouldn't defy gravity.
     
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    I would not let Simon Furman anywhere near Beast Wars, and let the writers know ahead of time that Tigerhawk was going to be released and that they didn't have to kill him off immediately. I'd also keep Dark Glass in the episode run.
     
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    but it's so fitting to have the Furman be involved in Beast Wars
     
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    Energon. I dislike a ton and I'd change a lot, but the main things off the top of my head would be:

    •Cut the episode count in half and streamline the story
    •Keep starscream dead
    •Give demolisher a proper arc and sacrifice instead of reverting him into a chest pounding buffoon
    •Keep episode 33 of superlink. By far the best of the entire series and for some reason was cut out for the english dub
    •Cut Ironhide and pair kicker with hotshot. Also, rewrite kicker to not be such a whiny bitch
    •This ones small, but dont revert galvatrons name back to megatron. Only for him to change it halfway through anyways!
     
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    In that case:
    • Put more focus on Sam learning to see Bumblebee as more than just a car to impress Mikaela. It's not as big an issue as I've seen people make it out to be, as he does clearly show concern for him, but it could be better emphasized.
    • Get rid of Bee "lubricating" the man.
    • Get rid of Sam and Mikaela making out on top of Bee, while the other 'Bots watch.
    • Keep Barricade's death.
    • Keep Blackout as Soundwave and give him some dialogue in his G1 voice.
    • Have Optimus help kill Megatron, even if it's as simple as him holding Megatron while Same puts the Cube in his chest.
     
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    Armada and Energon. Armada I'd (somehow) have production start sooner and not rush the dubbing and animation. Energon would have them still use 2D Animation unless 3D is absolutely necessary for whatever reason, as well as changing the first half to have the story and characters tie closer to Armada like with Optimus as well. That way something like the original story of Energon could play out in the second half without needing to repeat itself 2 or 3 times and the ideas it presented could actually be explored rather than forgotten about.
     
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    Beast Wars
    • Tone down Cheetor's 90's sci-fi slang. The show itself did that as it went on.
    • Have the Vok's motivations/origins nailed down from the start.
     
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    The first show from my time that i watched was Animated, right after Sunbow i think, i'll be more lengthy on this one
    -No reviving characters, the Allspark and it's key should only give life to inanimate tech, not return life to what was previously alive, the show lost a lot of tension from the get go when Optimus gets revived from that fall
    -Plan things ahead better, things like Bulkhead being a space bridge engineer and Prowl being Yoketron's apprentice should fit in well with the rest of the series
    -No s i m p Dinobots, seriously even the Sunbow Dinobots are better characterized
    -Downplay the comedy with Wasp, the show feels conflicted between being too faithful to classic Waspinator while also trying to tell a tragic story, you can still have him be a sort of underdog though
    -Less time dedicated to cameos, i don't think Wreck-Gar needed a whole episode
    -For the love of Primus, have Bumblebee learn his lesson and move on to something else, it's so frustrating, it's like Cheetor on steroids, constantly doing a bait n switch, being originally Hot Shot isn't an excuse for this, Hot Shot wasn't this obnoxious in the UT far as im aware
    -Pet peeve of mine, i don't like when TFs survive decapitation(most of the time), so no Henry Masterson, i am open to normal Headmasters though
    -Controversial, i think Optimus doesn't develop enough post S1, he got a little arc at the end of the first season about being more understanding with his subordinates but that's it, the rest of the series just constantly validates him and it got boring to me
    -Make Blitzwing be Flywheels
    -No amnesiac Constructicons, i hate amnesia(most of the time)
    -Megatron doesn't kill Starscream, why change that ?
    1: Because when Optimus died it was stabilished CBs become grey when they die, meaning Starscream survived right in front of Megs and he didn't notice it
    2: If we go by my suggestion of no reviving, then i don't want Starscream to die so soon in the series
    Don't worry, this doesn't mean i want Megs to forgive him like Sunbow and Prime
    -Have the Decepticons be more fleshed out, i think the writers only cared about BA and even then she isn't a Decepticon for most of the series, i'd like the comedy to be downplayed since so many of them have some sort of schtick which got old by the latter half of the show as most of them didn't have anything else to offer, some individual backstories could help, speaking of backstory, have them being rebels mean something(not necessarily the functionist scrap though), i see some people overthink this aspect of the show when it's hardly relevant to the characters
    -Have the Seekers charcterization be more than aspects of Starscream's personality, it's another schtick that gets old, plus it could make good use of their bios, or in the case of Slipstream being more than Starscream's tsundereness(i don't get it either)
    -Downplay Sentinel's jerkassery and wimpiness, specially the latter, how someone so incompetent became part of the Elite ? plus it gets tiring seeing him being a jerk to Optimus even when the latter tries to help him
    -Have Shockwave follow more his Marvel characterization, i see no point in making another cyclops Megs bootlicker when Lugnut already filled that role
    -More of a bonus suggestion, bring in Skyfire as a separate character from Jetfire
    -Nitpick, why Elita-1 is rule 63 Bumblebee ? When everything else is so G1 inspired it also sticks out, if you're gonna make it different at least don't make it so similar to something else in the show
    -I want Takara to pay some studio to make an OVA kinda like Scramble City, where Violen Jiger appears(i mean who could be the shadowy figure in the JP opening ?)alongside other Zone and Victory characters, also Lyzack is a character in the Allspark Almanac so she would also fit right in
    -Show Starscream's robot mode in the opening
     
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    The first show I ever watched was G1, because that was all there was at that time, and as fun/disrespectful as it was, I would remove all reference to Carbombya and the more stereotypical aspects of Abdul Fakkadi, since these were the things that provoked Casey Kasem to quit the show. Had he stayed, we might have had more Cliffjumper, Teletraan-1 might have been transplanted to Metroplex, and he probably would have voiced one or two S3-S4 characters. And besides that, it simply would have been the right thing to do.
     
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    I watched the original G1 miniseries first. I've watched every series since. I might not have finished a lot of them, but I've watched at least a dozen or more episodes before dropping any of them.

    Favorite is BW.

    Then:
    Animated
    G1
    Master Force
    Victory
    RID2k1 (I prefer the silliness of the dub to Car Robots)
    Cyberverse

    Least favorite of the ones I finished:
    BM
    TFP (beautiful animation, story bored me to tears)
    RID2K15
    Prime Wars (the worst cartoon I've ever seen that wasn't on Adult Swim)

    I never cared enough to finish:
    Head Masters
    BW II
    BW Neo
    Armada (I just tried again last winter. Love the toys so much, but I can't take the show.)
    Energon
    Cybertron
    Rescue Bots
    Rescue Bots Academy (only saw the pilot online)
    WFC (made it two episodes into Earthrise and I gave up. I love BW too much to see them Rian Johnson the characters in Kingdom)
    TF Go
     
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    The Transformers: Generation 2, make it an actual show with the Generation 2 characters instead of repackaged G1.

    That is all.
     
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    Can the intro be the same ?
     
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    Yes it can. They can also keep the Cybernet Space Cube.
     
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