The Fallen-Megatron-Sentinel Prime Relationships

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  1. combaticon164

    combaticon164 Warlord of Floriduh

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    I'm trying to figure the relationships and possible plans between these 3 characters. I'm a casual fan when it comes to the movies so I might not know all of the info. Was Megatron supposed to meet up with Sentinel at the behest of the Fallen? Or did Megatron make a side deal with Sentinel and they both got side tracked, Megatron crashes in the arctic and Sentinel's ship tumbles through space and finally lands on the moon. Was the sun harvester originally plan A and when that failed Megatron went to his back up plan with Sentinel?
     
  2. primal789

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    Megatron was The Fallen's appretiece.The plan with the harvester was made by The Fallen then Sentinel and Megatron made the deal and when Sentinel was considered dead Megatron fought to take the Allspark
     
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    No one knows. Things were pretty much made up as an afterthought to the other. It's best just not to think about it too much ;)  lol
     
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    I'll just put this here Movie timeline - Transformers Wiki
     
  5. combaticon164

    combaticon164 Warlord of Floriduh

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    I didn't think of that because I watch the movies for entertainment.
     
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    Imagine if all the plans were unleashed all at once. They would kill the Autobots with the help of their army created the AllSpark, then they would bring Cybertron to Earth with the Pillars and enslave the humans, making them rebuild their home world (or use the AllSpark). Then, they would use the Sun Harvester to suck the energy from the Sun, and leave Earth in darkness, where the humans would be left to die. And, if they managed to keep the Matrix after activating the Sun Harvester, they could revive any fallen warriors who weren't beyond hope.
     
  8. uruseiranma

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    This thread reminds me of something I'm planing for an upcoming Blog post as to why ROTF to me doesn't work...and one factor is Megatron's Master Plan.

    What should have seemed a straight-forward pursuit of the Allspark to Earth to build a new Army and reclaim Cybertron, then turned into one 'whopper' of a story arc that makes almost no sense.

    Watching ROTF last night, even Starscream seems under the sway of The Fallen, claiming that his actions were because 'the Fallen decrees it.'

    I don't understand why the Fallen needed the Allspark, unless he figured it would lead them to The Matrix of Leadership...but then, the Fallen couldn't make his move without Optimus Prime being dead...and yet, Megatron NEEDED Prime to find Sentinel on the moon, and USE the Matrix of Leadership (which Prime didn't originally HAVE) to revive him, and allow for the pillars to be utilized and the hidden moon army to come, decimate Earth, and bring about Cybertron to be brought near Earth to be saved.

    ...and somewhere the madmen of TF fans are going, 'It's not that big a deal man...Megatron is a GENIUS, MAN!!'
     
  9. sawwheeler

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    Megatron probably figured that Sam would go to great lengths to try to find a way to revive Optimus. However there is still the problem where Megatron appears to be upset when the Fallen is killed...those do conflict.
     
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    There is no evidence that Megatron knew during ROTF that Sentinel was on the Moon; Soundwave did. Megatron was either dead or imprisoned by the humans, so Soundwave likely would not have told Megatron about the Moon operations until during or after ROTF as a backup plan.
     
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    Well the reality is I think the writers were just making it all up, and didn't think things out to that detail.

    In retrospect however, I believe Megatron plan A was working for the Fallen, get the Allspark, activate the Sun harvester, and if plan A failed, then Plan B would rondevous with Sentinel, and enslave an alien species to rebuilt Cybertron the hard way.
     
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    true, true.
     
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    In my opinion there is a link between the 3 movies and that is simply proven by sams einstien related meltdown in rotf when he talks about sentinel prime. And as far as i can tell this obviously means that the all spark and the matrix have powers that reach into the time travel department as scientifically thats the only way to explain how sam knows of sentinel and also meets the primes. So this also has opened my eyes to the possibility that galvs torso maybe a future megs that gets repaired/ created now,
    but has previously travelled back in time to collude with his past self but maybe gets badly damaged during his time travel and maybe materialised in the ground and sentinel & megs are used to create him as part of a paradoxial time loop that could be used to explain why megs made plans ontop of plans....wasnt sure who to believe, and this would be a way to cover most of the other plotholes too.
     
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    This was all sorts of stupid. I could have bought Megatron and the Fallen but Megatron and Sentinel Prime. NOPE.
     
  15. dmizzle26

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    I dont think the writers expected you all to tey to put 2 and 2 together lol...still to this day it all confuses me ive tried and tried to figure it out.... I like to think that Megatron had this all planned out in levels where if one fail move to the other A. All-spark B. Kill Optimus free The Fallen and find the Matrix of leadership. And C. Make a deal with Sentinel. What has me confused is if Megatron was gone work for The Fallen all along why did he even bother trying to get the All-spark when he knew the Harvester was on Earth.
     
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    Well you're looking at it the wrong way. "He was meant to rendezvous with me here on Earth, before fate waylaid us both. The only way to revive him: we needed Prime and his Matrix." The whole reviving Sentinel thing was never the original plan, Sentinel and Megatron were never supposed to crash. Megatron was in fact a genius because he was going to basically use Sentinel to kill the Fallen and then Megatron would've killed Sentinel to become the ruler of Cybertron.
     
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    Master plan here guys, megatron goes after the all spark because sentinel told him where it was headed and the fallen wanted it, sentinel was going to meet Meg's there because of the pillars but I'll get to that later, sentienl faked death to trick the fallen into thinking of there only being one prime, megatron would then come to earth, create the army/workforce, then he would order the assassin shockwave to kill prime when communicating to cybertron, then he would have the fallen fly the nemesis here where they would use the all sparks knowledge to locate the matrix, then they would use the harvester, blow up the sun and take energon, megatron would take the all spark and secretly go find sentinel's ship and reactivate him, then they would backstab the fallen because "only" a prime can defeat the fallen(I don't necessary believe that but whatever), then they would teleport cybertron, use the energon from the sun to reactivate it, and use the all spark army/workforce to rebuild it, then megatron kills sentinel and becomes the high and mighty leader he always wanted to be.... Huuuu done
     
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    Way I see it;
    Megs had plan with the fallen set and used sentinel's deal as a back up plan.
    They originally intended to use whatever life on earth as a slave labor force/ the allspark to create an army, but we all know how that ended up.
    However, even if Megatron wouldn't have frozen up in the arctic, there wouldn't be any machines on earth to make an army, so chances are Megatron didn't consider the fact that not all life is machine-based/dependent.
     
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    Basically, this.
     
  20. Wolf

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    The fallen had no knowledge of sentinel prime being alive or having a deal with megs as he surely wouldn't have allowed it being as megs probs wanted sentinel to kill the fallen for him too then he would have killed sentinel as after all, all he needed was to be in charge and to have optimus out the way which i think he hoped the fallen would do once op had been revived in a much weaker state. Maybe lol