[TF4 spoilers] "Before time began....

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  1. Brave Magnus

    Brave Magnus Drawings from Argentina! :D

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    ..there was the cube" That's how Prime's speech starts in the first film, right? That Cybertronians dont know where it came from but that holds the power to create worlds and fill them with life? Ok. We saw that indeed, the Allsparks is able to give life to machines. In the second film we saw the same when MEgatron was revived but also were introduced to the Sun Harvester: a machine that is used to recharge the Allspark. Oh! and the Matrix, which kicks the Sun Harvester and can revive a TF too?
    Ok, in Tf4 we were introduced 3 new elements: Transformium, the Seed and the "Creators". Now, I am trying to put everything together since last night. Help me a bit, ok? ^^

    -The Creators *cough*QUINTESSONS*cough* used "Seeds" to cyberform alien planets and collect the "Transformium".

    -Once they got it, they went to a planet like Cybertron and built their own robots with the recollected material.

    -Once that was done they used the Allspark to give them life.

    -Now, at some point something happened. Or they took off or they were overthrow. But not before leaving the information about how Sun Harvesters are built and that they are essential to recharge the cube from time to time?

    -Maybe the 7 Primes didnt want to be slaves of the "Creators" and make them flee?

    That kinda makes sense, right? Will be fun for Prime to discover all he believed was a lie all this time. XD
     
  2. Ironhide1234

    Ironhide1234 Here.

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    Yes, that's the best theory going around atm.

    - Creators created Allspark.
    - Detonated seeds on alien planets to harvest Transformium.
    - Allspark creates and gives life to Transformers from Transformium.

    I suspect the 7 or 13 Primes kicked them off Cybertron. Built Star harvesters to replenish the Allspark's power for an umpteen amount of centuries.

    I'm a little iffy as to why Optimus Prime is a knight though? Were ALL the Primes knights? were a sub faction of Primes knights? Was Sentinel a knight? Ws the Fallen a knight?

    In ROTF we learned of 7 Primes? So... What about the other 6? I think they left in the Knight ship to keep peace in the universe or to be "Great crusaders" and "Rebelious scum" to the 'creators'! We know Lockdown ''commandeered'' it and captured the Dinobots on it.
     
  3. RedWolf

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    My guess the Knights of Cybertron hid Optimus among their ranks that he escaped the Fallen's purge of the Prime line.

    Sentinel Prime is said by Sam in his rant was part of an expedition would also explain how he survived the purge.

    It's possible Sentinel was a Knight as he was Optimus' mentor and an explorer like the Knights.

    Both the Knights and original Primes with their Seekers are explorers but with different mission objectives. The Seven Primes and the Seekers looked for Energon by harvesting suns. Lockdown calls the Knights crusaders so they probably protected Cybertron's interests. Which is why Optimus calls Grimlock, Scorn, Slug and Strafe legendary warriors.

    Given Grimlock's attitude towards taking orders he probably didn't like the Fallen's new management and fought the early Decepticons, which were composed of Seekers.

    Since the Seekers are legendary and the oldest Decepticons according to Wheelie and the Knights are supposed to be famous among Autobots given Hound's reaction to flying ship of theirs it fair to assume the Knights or Dinobots are among the early Autobots. Optimus called them Autobots as well.

    Basically Knights of Cybertron versus Star Seekers.
     
  4. Apocalyptic PhD

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    I'm probably a little ignorant here, but for sake of enthusiastic interests, quoting this thread that was cited by the Wiki. Transformers Q&A - Transformers Discussion - The Allspark Forums

    "The 13 are the Original Epic Warriors of Cybertron. They did not all have names that end in Prime, only seven of the 13 hold this title. Our future plans include telling to story of this epoch soon." What the Poster "News Manager" arbitrarily cites Hasbro.

    There are seven original primes either way, but I don't like this source. You can take it as a theory instead anyway.
     
  5. VaderPrime1

    VaderPrime1 Prepare for termination!

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    Doesn't it make more sense that they found the AllSpark and it's a cosmic force that gives life and they made the Cybertronians sentient with that from the "Transformium?" So the AllSpark is a energy/life force that they exploited for their purposes.
     
  6. tonyformer

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    I have a whole long story arc written up how it could all make sense. When I'm finished, I'll post it to get thoughts.
     
  7. RedWolf

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    I think what happened with KSI and Megatron is an analogy of what happened with the Creators and the Allspark.

    Creators discover Transformium to build robots with. Then they hook up Transformium to the Allspark, which is an alien artifact, to give life to their creations.

    Totally didn't expect Transfomers to revolt.

    My guess also the Creators tried to replicate the Allspark with the Matrix. The way the Matrix transforms is pretty much like pure Transformium robots.
     
  8. rodster6

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    I'm really hoping they use the creators to finally tie together all the mucguffins they used in the previous films. I was really interested in what the Allspark is and where it came from. Being dropped in ROTF to be replaced with another plot device which was then replaced again in DOTM made me stop caring about new plot devices introduced because it made them seem to hold no weight or gravity as I know by the next movie they will be all but forgotten, along with half the characters.
    I think they made need a better writer than the one they have to really cohesively tie all these loose threads together in a satisfying way. if he were a competent writer in the first place, these story elements would have already been dealt with.
     
  9. Apocalyptic PhD

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    I doubt the Matrix is intended to be Transformium material, simply because RoTF is designed after Ancient-Alien-Egyptian-Stargate themes thus the whole sand-dessert-powder-sorcery thing is probably inspired by fantasy media tropes like Prince of Persia stuff. The effects of the formation is different and might be of different sorcery. But that's a nice theory, even if they didn't put thought into it, I dig it.

    If Humans could reform native Cybertronium to tainted Transformium then the Decepticons or Autobots should have utilized this process into the DoTM and RoTF Vehicons or probably a long long time ago, except they didn't. It appears humans are progressively better than Cybertronians. At age and advancement parity Humans are superior to Cybertronians but eh. Cybertronians are not as smart as they want us to believe.
     
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    What if the Creators' intent was to use the Transformium to create non-sentient drones, like the humans were doing, and the AllSpark was an unknown that introduced itself to the equation, creating the living Cybertronians? What if the Creators want them back to study the effects of the AllSpark and replicate them?
     
  11. LegendAntihero

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    I believe the creators are the Quintessons but I don't think the Primes had anything to do with them