@Dean ML actually it was your post with how to tab in the backpack which changed my mind on the transformation. Mainly because it finally felt solid after that.

@Temp1 yeah I had similar thoughts playing with him. I think that they thought they could do similar engineering with Bumblebee as Sunstreaker then hit the wall and deadlines. I'm guessing the size just limited them way too much. Either way it is still amazing that they could do was much as they did.

 

Think size paid a big factor, if alt mode would have been mp21 size, none of these other issues are there. I think that's why I was so disappointed at first, I saw all the unused space on mp21 and expected them to make better use of it on mp45. In reality it's like half the size of mp21 which is kind of impressive when you realize how much more "bot" they got out of it.

 

Yeah, I agree all around. More waist swivel would've been great, he's priced too high/comes with too little, I honestly think the backpack is an improvement over MP-21's despite it's messy appearance, but there's no getting around those heels. Yet, like Sam says, the things he does well he does so well that they more than make up for his compromises!

 

I wish those heels came up a little bit more even with his ankle in the back,rather than sitting at that angle. At the time it was alot but a FT minibot is about $100 and that's just a rifle and a face. They're cleaner but besides waist swivel and an abcrunch on beachcomber, lack most of the articulation of 45

 

Would anyone with the Toyhax set recommend getting it just for the blue tinted windows? (not the cellshaded ones, the cartoon blue ones)

 

I have them and I really like the look. They were a bit of a pain to put on because some of the windows are tiny and there's a super tiny sticker to fill in the windshield under the wiper in alt mode. I messed up a few of them when putting them on but from normal viewing distance they look great.

 

I was planning to make the windows bluer, by buying a pot of tamiya clear blue and painting the inside of them. Probably still will some day. Would be cool if they matched a little closer to Prime’s blue (though I wish Prime’s was a little less saturated actually).

 

Yeah exactly, it was almost certainly deadlines. I heard somewhere that they might have rushed it so that it could ride the bumblebee wave coming off the movie, which sounds likely. I just think TT should be smarter than that and delay to make sure their $120 Masterpiece figure is up to scratch. They've had a few bumps recently and it coincides with the massive price hike too. MP-43 Megatron had breaking crotch, MP-44 Prime had breaking knees, MP-45 Bee has glaringly unpolished backpack and feet, MP-47 Hound had the worst plastic breakages etc. I love TT but we're only getting around 2-3 G1 moulds a year ...and even at that slow rate I think everybody would still just prefer they take their time to get the design perfect before charging us their prices.

I guess scale does play a part, but if 3rd party legends scale transformers companies like New Age and Magic Square can do great designs at much smaller scale, I think TT should have knocked this one out the park. Still ...all in all MP-45 does look great. it's definitely growing on me more with time.

 

Yeah exactly, it was almost certainly deadlines. I heard somewhere that they might have rushed it so that it could ride the bumblebee wave coming off the movie, which sounds likely. I just think TT should be smarter than that and delay to make sure their $120 Masterpiece figure is up to scratch. They've had a few bumps recently and it coincides with the massive price hike too. MP-43 Megatron had breaking crotch, MP-44 Prime had breaking knees, MP-45 Bee has glaringly unpolished backpack and feet, MP-47 Hound had the worst plastic breakages etc. I love TT but we're only getting around 2-3 G1 moulds a year ...and even at that slow rate I think everybody would still just prefer they take their time to get the design perfect before charging us their prices.

I guess scale does play a part, but if 3rd party legends scale transformers companies like New Age and Magic Square can do great designs at much smaller scale, I think TT should have knocked this one out the park. Still ...all in all MP-45 does look great. it's definitely growing on me more with time.

 

Anyone know a good place to get one for a decent price?

 

You can stalk mandarake depending on where you live

 

Not going to attempt to white knight here , but , of all those issues you mentioned , Hounds the only one that’s a QC issue. The majority of owners for the rest of those figures had & continue to have no issues whatsoever , myself included. Let’s not blow & ant hill into a mountain here .

 

Oooh the Bumblebee thread re-emerges! Must want a photo!

 

Good pics all around. I finally pulled the trigger and picked this up yesterday. I've been watching reviews and issues aside, I absolutely love the way it looks from the front and in alt mode...if you can get all of the parts flush together, that is.

 

I'm still loving MP-45 and I think he's awesome despite the feet. The backpack really does not bother me at all in hand and I wish more people would give this guy a chance.

I cannot believe some people think the Newage version is better than MP-45. I get that people have different opinions but this really shows me that my opinions are VERY different from fans of this. This looks terrible to me. Sure, it's great for a small figure, but it has way too many seams in the chest and I don't think the feet or backpack are any better. Way more gappy than MP-45. And look at that hinge right on his crotch.

 

because newage actually tries to do smth with the feet and back kibble, mp45s back doesnt even tab in properly, its just a bunch of loose gappy shit hangin off him. i really dont get how a bunch of lines on the torso make this worse than the piece of shit disaster mp45 is. the colors and head are way better too
its also like what, twice as small? obv the bar is lowered for legends figs

 

I do think the Newage one looks pretty amazing for its scale and gets closer than most 3P efforts to nailing the character's animation design (like a lot of their stuff), but yeah as a direct comparison I can't imagine thinking it's in quite the same tier as MP-45.