Takara Tomy MP-45 Bumblebee 2.0

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  1. PrimeVsPrime

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    Hey everyone! I recently got mine and think whilst it looks cool (from certain angles) i've noticed that mine has incredibly loose joints particularly in the hip area. I also had the waist completely separate from the top body whilst transforming it earlier (MPM JAZZ Style) and was wondering if anyone else has these issues? Im not sure if I should return it or not.
     
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    Look forward to seeing that!
     
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  3. Dean ML

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    Ah man, thanks so much @Robotmonkeys and @4249david ! So glad I was doing it wrong! I suspected as much but couldn't figure out what the deal was. Turns out that not only was I not pulling that telescoping bit out all the way, but more importantly, I didn't have that hinge collapsed all the way. the last 20 degrees of that joint were pretty tight so I thought I had it bent all the way - glad I was wrong! Actually made a huge difference and now I'm only loving the little guy more! I'll have to take another side shot and replace it in that photo set as soon as I can!
     
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    Thanks for the pics! Are the paint apps really that sloppy-looking? The paint looks to be inconsistently applied and sploched on in parts.

    I love TT's work, but jeez. We shouldn't need to fix things when the price point is so high.
     
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  5. jackisking

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    The waist is on a mushroom peg too much pressure can get it too pop off. One of the biggest complaints is a looseness in his waist, some people worse than others.
     
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    Glad it helped, anything that gets you posting more pictures :D 
     
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    Well, the car shots are of my more shoddily painted copy, the bot shots are of my better copy. Any blemishes you're seeing, though, are barely noticeable in hand. He's so small in reality, photos and strong lighting magnify and accentuate every little gap, blemish, and inconsistency.

    Haha thanks! Man, it's amazing how much having the backpack transformed correctly improves the figure to me! Not only is he more secure now, but the backpack just looks like a tighter, more coherent shape. Wonder if anyone else is making the same mistake I was? Really makes 21's backpack seem that much more archaic to me, being that it's the back half of the car hanging loosely down to his butt with a simple bumper fold and partsformed wheel. $90 is a wild price for this little guy and TT is likely gouging a bit with the second or third most popular character in the franchise, but like I said, 44 is twice the figure 21 is!
     
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  9. Agent 539

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    I'm not sure about anyone else, but my Bee was super tight out of the box. Hips, waist, shoulders, every joint. I haven't transformed my second copy yet
    So I'm 1/2 on tightness.

    It's amazing to hear how many Bees are experiencing loose joints.
     
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    Ok, I updated that photo set with a properly transformed backpack shot. All locked together now and the shape is much tighter and more unified looking, especially in hand.

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    Hope it's ok, but I'll detail real quick what I did in case anyone was having the same problem I was, especially as I suspected and hoped I was doing something wrong as it just seemed like a loose mess but I couldn't figure it out for a few days until I got some help from my friends on the board here (thanks again, guys!). The instructions weren't clear to me here (maybe it was in the Japanese text). Hopefully someone else will find this helpful!

    Turns out I wasn't pulling out the extending bar or, more importantly, bending the joint completely so that the bar is nearly parallel with the windscreen. The last 20 or so degrees of that joint are pretty tight, I didn't want to risk cracking, so I thought it just wasn't designed to collapse any further. Glad I was wrong! If yours is tight there like mine, just gently push through.

    Wrong - The bar is not extended and the joint is not completely bent
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    Correct - The bar is extended and the joint is fully bent so that the bar is nearly parallel with the windshield
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    Everything collapses tighter and locks together better than I initially had it.
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    You should be able to collapse it even a little more. You just need to make sure the part attached to the waist is pushed farther in, so it tucks a little further under the roof piece, and then the hood/bonnet piece sits flush against it rather than hanging down and the parts in the middle are a little tighter:

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    Good call!
     
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    Got my replacement copy. This one had a much nicer car paint job, but a pre-chipped waist, right arm, and pretty shoddily painted default face. Luckily, the entire roof and hood section was much better, plus the left arm did not have the giant gash in of my first copy. So, I swapped out the parts I needed, and now have a great BB. Oh, and the new one had a near perfect centered Autobot symbol on the chest...even if the chest is ever so slightly darker yellow, so definitely swapped that out too.

    As @anubis20 mentioned, I also took a look at the hips. My first one was pretty good, second one was very floppy. And yep, it seems to be that the rivet is not in deep enough on some copies. Also, a bit worrisome...both mine had excess glue on the bottom of the pelvis which was actually gumming up the hip joints, and not allowing the pelvis halves to fully sit together.

    You can see the glue on the mushrooms in the pictures below.
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    So...here's my theory. I couldn't capture it with my camera, but the hip joint "stalk" has a square end. The mushroom part, that is riveted in, has a square cut out. If the rivet is not pushed in all the way, those don't "lock" together. I believe those who have super loose joints...you might just be rotating the stalk on the rivet. The mushroom part should be providing resistance inside the pelvis, but if the lock is not seated properly, that mushroom might not be moving with the leg, and instead remaining fixed inside the pelvis, leaving the leg just rotating on the resistance-less rivet. Adding to this, if that mushroom is glued to the pelvis, that's more chance of it not moving.

    Anyway, here's how one of the my super loose ones looked. See the huge gap between the yellow skirt piece and the mushroom. You can also see the skirt has plenty of room to flop around freely.
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    I used a soldering iron to push the rivet's in further. Here you can see how I'm pretty sure it's supposed to look:

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    I also cleaned up all the glue on the mushroom, and got it all nice and smooth again. Likewise, there was also some extra glue on the front half of the pelvis, surrounding the peg below. I trimmed all this away, so the pelvis halves could sit flush together.
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    Assembling everything back together gives me a smooth, but firm rotation of the hips. Better than my first one had, and great on the second (which is pretty much a guinea pig before I send it back.


    Lastly, some help for those who might still have trouble getting the whole back end lined up. Here's what works for me:

    First, make sure you have the head pushed all the way back against the chest, using both neck joints. Watch those horns, and carefully pass them all the way though the gray joints.
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    Next, make sure the shoulders are positioned as shown. You need those little "notches" in that position, to give the pelvis clearance.
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    When you swing that assembly back up, pay close attention to the head. You need the head crest in front of the small, clear protruding part. The head should still be fully against the inside of the chest panel.
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    Then, swing the small square part up first, to cover the Autobot symbol. If this joint is very tight, loosen the screw just a bit.
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    Lastly, fold the bumper up, and push in on the locking tabs behind the rear wheel wells. There's some pretty thick paint on that bumper, so some slight sanding of the tabs could possibly be needed. (I did not).
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    I've got a near perfect rear half of the car each time using this method. Neither were even close right out to the box. I'm pretty sure the head position is the key, but the shoulders are also very important.
     
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    Yeah! Glad I was able to help. It’s usually the other way round :) 
    You’re always helpful to members when small transformation steps are missed. I remember you helping me with Sideswipes legs.
    now...MOAR PICS PLEASE!
     
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    He stands fine like that, no issues with him wobbling. Obviously the pieces aren't tight as they're in the wrong place, but once you decide your stance/pose, get the legs right etc. you just fiddle with them if they've moved

    Hell yeah. Gonna have to look at mine again now!
     
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    I always use EMS from Japan.
     
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    That’s pretty cool! Thanks for sharing.
     
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    MP-21 is so damn awesome. Damn shame this is such a mess. If the prices tumbles to sub $60 I'm going to still jump on it though.
     
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    Haha nice troll job! 21 was awesome for its time yet he was a mess, too, and archaic in comparison to 45. 21 had widespread paint problems, in particular getting an even yellow (orange!) throughout the figure and on the face/eyes. Exo-suit Spike was widely dismissed (I think it's underrated and I'm keeping mine), 21 was criticized for its stick legs, gigantic feet (clown shoes), thong hips, bulbous torso, empty forearms, CHUG hands, big loose turtle shell back pack, partsforming wheel, IDW head with the edges of the planes of the face being too soft and the notorious stoner smile. I loved the figure for what it was but it was very far from perfect and 45 blows it out of the water on every level except for speed/ease of transformation, but hey, if that was a top priority for me I'd collect CHUGs. I passed down my 21 to my 6yo son tho and he agrees with you that its awesome!
     
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  20. Optimus Prime23

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    Agreed.