Super Smash Bros for Nintendo Switch

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  1. E. C. R. Former

    E. C. R. Former Is probably insane...

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    You have legitimate and valid points in your rants but when it boils down to it what you're saying is just "I didn't get what I want therefore it sucks".

    What I hate the most about the western Smash speculation scene (or heck, the western fandom in general) is just how they seem to completely be unable to comprehend just how wide the Pacific Ocean is. And I don't mean that literally. They act like getting third party characters into the game merely consists of signing some papers and a handshake. No, the process is way more complex and convoluted than that and that's just with the Japanese companies: it gets even more complicated with western companies where time zones, language barriers, different corporate work environments, currency exchanges, long distance commute, and other factors come into play. Its not the same like with say, if Nintendo had to negotiate something with Capcom, then all the Nintendo rep has to do is hop on the JR Kyoto Line for the twenty minute train ride from Kyoto to Osaka and boom, you're now at Capcom HQ. And while the HQs of Sega, Square Enix, and Bandai Namco are farther away, a two-hour bullet train trip between Kyoto and Tokyo isn't all that much of a problem. That ain't the case with Western developers: the ones in California are at least a 10 hour flight away (not counting the amount of time it takes to get through customs and factoring in jet lag or the language barrier and such) and its even worse for the ones on the East coast. Even for Nintendo of America, which is in Redmond, Washington, getting to the HQs of the companies in California or the East coast is going to take several hours on a plane.

    The exception to this is Microsoft, whose headquarters are literally down the street from Nintendo of America (seriously, you can walk between NoA and Microsoft HQ in just four minutes). And even with that convenience it took a whopping five years to negotiate for Minecraft to be in Smash Bros. I'm willing to bet that the negotiations for Banjo & Kazooie took place simultaneously. So, given the convenient location between NoA and Microsoft and that somewhat aloof attitude Microsoft has toward their gaming division and it still took years of negotiation.

    Take a look at Crash Bandicoot as an example. He's probably the western character who makes the absolute most sense to be added to Smash from a gamer's perspective and there are a lot of speculators wondering why the heck he hasn't been added yet. The thing that annoys me about that however is that almost none of these speculators seem to even consider the guys who actually own Crash: Activision. You know, Activision, one of the most scummiest, greediest AAA developers in the gaming industry. Whereas Microsoft is rather aloof with their gaming properties, Activision is far more greedy and thus probably a lot more difficult to negotiate with. Plus, whereas NoA and Microsoft have their HQs right next to each other in Redmond, WA, Activision's HQ is located in Santa Monica, CA. Negotiations between Nintendo and Microsoft took years but with their close proximity, that could have been easily been done as a part of the negotiator's everyday job. In contrast, to negotiate with Activision, Nintendo would have to fly a team out to Santa Monica and if the negotiations drag on for years, how often is NoA going to fly a team out there?

    That doesn't mean Crash won't be coming to Smash Bros. There's still the possibility that Crash is the final character in the pass. I just don't think its likely.

    Also, while I agree that you shouldn't hype yourself up for the last character, don't joke about it being a Fire Emblem character if you can't identify which specific FE character its going to be.
     
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  2. Constructor

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    Uh, you misunderstood the point of the post I made. I wasn't saying that they sucked, if you're excited for every single character they unveiled, then great! What I was saying was that I was disappointed with it and that I felt they were an odd choice of characters for paid dlc. I wouldn't mind at all having the dlc characters if they were free, but I don't care enough about any character individually to warrant the purchase. I feel like the mentality of "it sucks because I don't like it" is very childish and I try to avoid falling into it. If I sounded like I was saying that than I'll try harder to word my statements better. I simply felt like the characters are from such a wide range of unlike genres and eras that the odds of being a big fan of all the franchises included in a single smash character pack is decently low.
    I also don't play Fire Emblem, so I can't really say who would be, other than maybe a blue-haired sword user. That's a pretty safe guess from what I'm aware of from the franchise.
     
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    Lacimehc Tastes like medicine

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    Byleth was from the most recent Fire Emblem game and nothing suggests they're gonna add someone else from the series.

    Also adding DLC characters from a wide variety of franchises old and new was the best choice. They're not expecting every character to appeal to you, just that something there will be from a game or franchise you like and I feel like they've accomplished that.
     
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  4. TheWarPathGuy

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    I enjoy Byleth as a fighter and I have played Three Houses so I do enjoy the series. But, honestly they could of picked literally anyone else, but another Fire Emblem character.
     
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  5. E. C. R. Former

    E. C. R. Former Is probably insane...

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    My bad. Mind you my rant wasn't necessarily directed at you per say, but more so broadly to the western fanbase as a whole. And Byleth is the MC of the most recent game in the franchise so unless there's another FE game being released in the next few months (which ain't happening) there will be no more FE characters added to the roster.

    For me, Kazuya simply reinforces the notion that Fighters' Pass 2 isn't really about adding the most requested or most hyped characters like Fighters' Pass 1 was (minus Byleth who was meant to be base roster but became DLC due to Three Houses being delayed). Rather, Fighters' Pass 2 really is about filling in missing gaps in the base roster: ARMS and Xenoblade 2 were released just barely outside the cutoff date for Smash Ultimate. Negotiations for Minecraft took five years, well passed the release of Smash Ultimate, Sephiroth brought in sorely lacking Final Fantasy content to the game, and Kazuya... well frankly its somewhat shocking that he wasn't added sooner to the roster considering that Namco are the one's developing the game and yet they've only had one representative (Pac-Man) before this.
     
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    Banjo, Sephiroth, and Joker are probably the only characters in the entirety of both DLC passes that made me go "OH SHIT!" but otherwise the majority of it had been par the course, and honestly, I've been pretty happy with all of the characters included so far except for Byleth(Did we seriously need yet another FE avatar?). Like Hero, Min Min, Pyra/Mythra and Kazuya are all characters I'm surprised weren't in the game already. Heck Steve broke the internet and Terry was just Sakurai fanboying over Neo Geo games which was great to watch. Terry in fact was a character I always wanted yet never really expected to happen and now he's my new main

    I don't need the last character to be a mindblower, but I'm really worried we're gonna get something really lame for the last character like another Pokemon or a Rabbid or some shitty meme character
     
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    If we're speculating, also worth noting that Capcom is conspicuous in their abscence from the DLC sets, considering this'll be another Namco character in Kazuya

    Mind I'm still hoping for Tails or Eggman
     
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    they had Megaman, Ryu and Ken already in the game, for some that would be sufficient, though I'd definitely would love to see Phoenix Wright or a RE character, and most people would love to see Dante
     
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    If Capcom ends up getting the final fighter slot, there's no doubt in my mind it'll be from Monster Hunter. That being said, I really hope the final fighter is someone that has the same "wow factor" that Joker or even Cloud and Bayonetta had when they first got revealed. Just something that's completely out of left field.
     
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    You have no idea! Kazuya's mother (Kazumi) tried to kill his dad (Heihachi), but Heihachi killed her. She is friends with Akuma (from street fighter) and makes him promise to kill Heihachi and Kazuya.

    5 year old Kazuya got upset about his dad killing mom, so Heihachi beats him up to near death, and throws him off a cliff. To test to see if Kazuya has the devil gene, which he does.

    Heihachi also imprisoned his dad (Jinpachi) underneath a temple, for who knows how long...

    Their whole Mishima family bloodline is cursed. Kazuya has a son, and they all want to kill one another.

    Despite this crazy story, the game series (Tekken) is really wonderful and worth checking out. It's pretty popular. I know you like Mortal Kombat. Ed Boon's favorite fighting game. (Head guy of MK)

    You could start with any of the recent ones...Tekken 6, 7, Tekken Tag Tournament 2
     
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    a few more minutes until the next Mii costume purge
     
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    RIP DRAGONBORN, DANTE AND SHANTAE
     
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    :lolol  at the Mii Fighter outifits
     
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    Those gloves are freaky as hell…
     
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    Good mii costume reveals imo. I wasn't expecting them in at all so I'm happy.
     
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    Seeing Skyrim and Fallout ass miifighters does give me hope we might actually see Doomslayer as the last fighter.
     
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    If not at least a MII Gunner skin.