Strongest transformers

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  1. Skyfire98

    Skyfire98 You can’t beat the original!

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    Who are the strongest transformers characters? I’m not sure if it was done before. Transformers characters which include gods.
     
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    Great question but I'd say some combiners AND then characters like fort max and trippy.
     
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    ObakaChanTachi Voyager Class

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    Bumblebee. He's protected by an armor even Primus and Unicron don't have, PLOT ARMOR.
     
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    Same applies to Optimus and Starscream, and sometimes Megatron
     
  5. Skyfire98

    Skyfire98 You can’t beat the original!

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    Plot armor huh
     
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    Arkimus Prime Paleontologist Extraordinaire

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    Hmmmm.....

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    No, not really.

    Unicron.
     
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    TheWarPathGuy "How pathetic."

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    Well some of them ended up coming back one way or another.
     
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    I'm gonna say Metroplex just for this crazy gravity defying throw he does on Trypticon at around 1:10 mark. Lifts him clean over his head and throws him over a range of mountains and a forest and into the ocean.

     
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    As usual in topics like these nobody is going to give a thorough answer and half are joke responses because Transformers fans typically have no respect for their own franchise like Marvel or DC fans and seldom are willing to be serious when someone has a question.

    A good starting point @Skyfire98 is what you mean by strongest. Do you mean who can lift the most weight? Punch the hardest? Or do you mean who has the most 'power' as in best weaponry (ie blowing up mountains or planets)? If you want I can make an all-around general list for one or all.
     
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    Dude, don't even start. Transformers has never taken itself seriously.
     
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    Skyfire98 You can’t beat the original!

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    Strongest in total. Everything from speed,punching power...
     
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    Obviously, characters with supernatural powers would be the strongest overall (Primus, Unicron, the 13 Primes in continuities where they exist) because there's no way to quantify their power. It really has no upper limit. Excluding them, the strongest G1 characters are probably:
    -Omega Supreme: " In robot form, Omega Supreme possesses enormous strength and firepower. A blow from one of his arms can shatter a mountainside. With his clawed arm he can lift 300,000 tons. The plasma blaster on his other arm can pulverize a solid 12' x 12' x 12' steel cube. The laser cannon mounted on his head can hit an object as small as a can at a distance of 50 miles. His armored form is virtually impervious to all non-nuclear explosives and energy-beam weapons. He can change his form into two other forms simultaneously: a laser cannon tank and a rocket with launching pad. The launching pad can boost its rocket into planetary orbit. The rocket is adaptable to communication, military and transport uses." For those keeping track at home, this suggests that he can lift six hundred million pounds!

    -Metroplex: "In robot mode, Metroplex has enormous strength. He can lift 70,000 tons. His armor is the equal of any Transformer's; to merely scratch it would require at least a low-yield nuclear explosion. He has left shoulder mounted twin high-energy MASER (microwave amplification through stimulated emission of radiation) cannons and a retractable omni-directional receiving and transmitting rod antenna in his right shoulder. His chest module contains a storage bay capable of holding a mid-size vehicle. In Autobot City mode, he has a helipad and ramps leading to the storage bay and various repair bays. Using a full complement of armatures, welders, presses, microsensors, gauges and spare parts, he's able to service up to four vehicles at any one time. His left rear tower transforms into a tank called Slammer. Metroplex can control Slammer for a maximum range of 40 miles. Slammer's cannon shoots explosive rocket-propelled mortar shells that have a 1.5-mile range. Scamper, the small sports car berthed within Metroplex, carries side-mounted electro-blasters that shoot streams of 20,000-volt electricity. In robot mode, Scamper uses a high-energy particle beam pistol. Scamper has a maximum speed of 150 mph and a range of 500 miles. Six-Gun, the small robot made literally of six guns and Metroplex's central tower, is a walking, talking artillery battery. In addition to the twin surface-to-air guided missile launchers he wears on his back, Six-Gun has ion-pulse rifles for arms and sometimes uses a seventh gun, a high-temperature acetylene pistol that can melt through most metals. Scamper and Six-Gun operate independently of Metroplex. Each has a mind of his own, although each essentially has a personality nearly identical to Metroplex and is mind-linked to him and each other. Scamper tends to be more impulsive and gregarious, Six-Gun more belligerent. The three minds together can be considered units of a single, larger mind, although Metroplex's mind is clearly dominant. Metroplex mostly uses Scamper, Six-Gun, and Slammer to scout and defend his periphery, although occasionally he'll send one or more on short missions. Metroplex's final form, the mobile Battle Station, is a wheeled platform whose formidable firepower makes him virtually untouchable. In this mode, Metroplex can have up to 12 pieces of artillery blazing away simultaneously. In addition to the previously mentioned MASER cannons, ion-pulse rifles and missile launchers, he's equipped with twin independent mounted disrupter rays on top, capable of interfering with electric currents within a target's body; two laser lances; and two front-mounted anti-matter projectors, the most powerful of all his weapons, which are capable of producing and shooting minute packets of anti-matter that obliterate anything upon contact. Metroplex can also use all these weapons in his Automat (sic) City mode..... Using his anti-matter projectors, however briefly, is tremendously draining for Metroplex and can leave him nearly energyless." Shockingly, Metroplex actually isn't as strong as Omega; he can only lift one hundred forty million pounds (as compared to Omega's six hundred million).

    -Fortress Maximus: "In both robot and battle station mode, Fortress Maximus is a walking armory. Retractable pulse cannons (emitting a strong ion beam capable of disrupting and incapacitating internal circuits), twin automatic machine gun batteries (wrist mounted in robot mode), twin laser-guided mortars (in lower legs, robot mode), dual laser blasters (with a heat-seeking target lock system) and a fusion-powered photon rifle make his firepower second to none. His battle station is fully equipped with communication, detection and radar equipment, while his repair bay has extensive re-fit facilities for almost any Transformer and a wide range of spare parts. From either repair bay or battle station Fortress Maximus can operate two remote controlled vehicles, Gasket and Grommet, using them to supply instant battleground first aid/repairs or as offensive/defensive combat units. When in robot mode, Gasket and Grommet combine to form the radio controlled warrior/mechanic, Cog. Fortress Maximus's head transforms into a robot form called Cerebros, which is controlled entirely by his binary-bonded partner. Despite his size, Fortress Maximus is both very strong and very fast. Though seemingly awkward, his bulky configuration moves with well oiled ease. His greatest asset, though, is his vast intellect and capacity for instant tactical decisions. To him, crafting an attack is like blueprinting a structure and it's almost second nature."

    -Trypticon: "In dinosaur mode, Trypticon has incredible strength and is virtually impervious to attack. A rocket backpack allows him to jump a distance of 20 miles. He can shoot heat-seeking plasma bombs from his mouth and he carries a particle beam cannon within his sinus cavity. His optical sensors shoot high frequency hypno-beams. When locked on to the eyes of another Transformer, these beams carry powerful electromagnetic currents that can override their target's own mental processes, allowing Trypticon to control that Transformer. If the intended victim is strong-willed enough or manages to turn away from Trypticon's gaze quickly enough, he can avoid this fate. In city mode, Trypticon opens up to reveal landing and repair bays and a communication center that includes antennae for local and interspace transmissions. An anti-gravity repulsor disk at each end prevents anyone from approaching closer than 1,000 feet unless Trypticon so chooses. Rotating scanners on top of his assembly can blast a hole through a city block of buildings. In mobile battle station mode, Trypticon is perhaps at his most dangerous. He has a range of 8,000 miles and can attain a speed of 800 mph. In addition, he has a flashing laser cannon, rotating blasters, destructo beams, and dual photon launchers."

    -Scorponok: "In scorpion mode, tail shoots 100,000 volt electric bursts, has twin pulse blasters, claws can crush mountains. In defense base mode, has over-the-horizon radar, communications center, anti-aircraft sonic cannon, repair bay, construction bay; semi-autonomous armored interceptor with dual photon cannons that patrol the base perimeter. In robot mode, has fusion-powered anti-gravity gun. Binary-bonded to Lord Zarak, leader of the evil Nebulans."

    -Piranacon: "Piranacon's strength is immense. He can hold up to 4,000,000 tons, making him ideal for lifting freighters and various warships from the sea. He is fully operational up to a depth of 30,000 feet below sea level. He only walks at a maximum speed of 15 mph on land and 10 mph undersea, but since he is virtually impervious to weapons-fire, his need for speed in order to evade enemy attack is negligible. He wields a jawbreaker cannon (which is actually the weapons-base mode of the Seacon Overbite), which shoots powerful metal-eating, salt-based corrosives." 4 million tons is 8 BILLION pounds! He's stronger than Omega Supreme and Metroplex combined!

    -All information courtesy of Bob Budiansky's Transformers: Universe Profiles.
     
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    Right now I'd have to say either Galaxy Optimus Prime, or Sgt Springer.
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    Galaxy Prime is essentially a 1 man army and has been THE character to beat in SIEGE 2.

    The other strongest Transformers would be Sgt. Springer, he has crazy card draw and getting to play an extra action or weapon is insane. He is THE combo engine, only held back by his vulnerability to getting punched in the face really hard by Optimus/Thrust together.
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    A franchise taking itself seriously isn't the same as a fandom taking itself seriously. And there's a context to what I said you've obtusely ignored. When a Marvel or DC fan has questions about their franchise there's no shortage of help online from other fans, message boards, youtube channels, etc. Whenever anyone EVER has ANY question on straight-forward or in-universe matters it is impossible to get even one page of serious responses instead of joke posts and stupid/unclear guesses. You're a part of that. Every time I've made a topic on Transformers stats, character scale charts, etc. it's people like you offering nothing of substance but drrr "scale doesn't exist lol" or "who cares" or "plot armor". A lot of fans might not give a shit because it's a quirky series with an inconsistent history but there's a time to joke and a time to help. When someone posts a thread actually related to the canon seeking answers then experienced fans should cut the bullshit and just answer the damn question. So far Longitudinalwave is the only one that posted anything substantive and good for him for actually trying.

    You can't really group speed with strength, usually. Blurr is one of the fastest Autobots but in terms of strength or firepower wouldn't be remotely comparable to Grimlock. If you're interested in just all-around stats the best you can aim for is the tech spec numbers which can be found on sites like BotchtheCrab, Unicron.com and TFU.info. @

    If you want an exhaustive list of "power" here's a thread from a while ago listing some of the most impressive characters in the TF multiverse:
    List of the most powerful characters and weapons
    A list of some of the most powerful entities in Transformers, though somewhat out of date
    Transformers Respect: Power Tiers
    A list of durability/endurance feats, comic scans, and bio statements
    TF Generations: Comparative Durability
    A list of official or calculated speeds of many characters
    TF Generations: Comparative Speed
    A list of strength and weight lifting stats
    TF Generations: Comparative Strength
     
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    Why should a fandom have to take itself seriously? This is supposed to be a hobby, for fun. We aren't playing fantasy football here. And you said yourself the franchise is inconsistent and doesn't take this stuff seriously, so why should we try to force something out of it? New characters are more powerful because they're new, and then they fade away into the background for the next new guy. Characters die to ridiculous things when it serves the plot and survive incredible things when it serves the plot. That's been the case since day one.

    Tech specs are the closest thing to definitive solely because they use actual numbers, yeah, but they're just as bad as anything else. The stat numbers are pulled from nowhere as are the numbers within the bio. Some cars' speeds average at hundreds of miles per hour while others can inexplicably only drive speeds that regular cars can. It's all nonsense, so why should we be talked down to for not pretending otherwise?
     
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    Metroplex, then any other Titan.
     
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    Because the nature of the topic is an inquiry about something the original poster wants an actual answer to. I'm not an admin or mod so I obviously can't force anyone to not be a non-contributing zero but there's a time and a place for jokes and sarcasm and in the eyes of people like you it's all the time. Basically, nobody deserves a real answer to their questions. Just TFWiki-style humor. That doesn't help the person asking the question and obviously the question remains unanswered. It's one of the most obnoxious aspects of the Transformers community.

    Totally arbitrary lines drawn between hobbies. A hobby can be fun while also being considerate of newer fans looking to learn about a rich 30 year history of material.

    That's all fiction. Transformers fans are just highly obsessed with the odd parts to the point they refuse to place any worth on objective values given in-canon. If a Transformer fan wants to know whether Optimus or Grimlock is stronger, and a Marvel fan wants to know whether Thor or Hulk is stronger, we both know who would get more substantive answers regardless of inconsistent histories.

    Tech specs in the original run were based on the long-form bios and the first year, and to a lesser extent second year, run were pretty consistent. Regardless that's obfuscation like the rest. If you want to know how fast a character is you'd check the long-form bios first, then supporting in-universe feats, then the truncated tech spec profiles and box spec numbers last. And even then they should probably be read in the context of a year's run of toys. 1984 tech spec numbers probably aren't going to be consistent with Beast Wars numbers. Expecting everything to line up is ridiculous and obfuscating the issue at hand. Can we quantify, generally, the powers and stats of the characters in this franchise? Yes.

    Adding to this here's a talk page on TFWiki with raw numbers for several things including weight/strength stats taking from several sources- User:Iustitia - Transformers Wiki
     
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    Did you ever consider the joke answers are just a way of saying that there isn't a real answer to be had? Because 99% of the time, that's exactly what's up for Transformers.

    Equally arbitrary is the insistence on taking a hobby seriously.

    My point is you're ignoring an important distinction, that Transformers is, always has been, and always will be toys first. You cannot say "well in this issue/episode X mopped the floor with Y" without considering: who is the new toy? Who isn't on shelves anymore? What price point is each character? Beyond absolutely nebulous distinctions like "typically the combiners are stronger than carbots" there is no real answer that is objectively disconnected from the reality of the fiction existing as an advertisement. Marvel, in contrast, is story first, and so it's much easier to put stock in the events in the stories. They have to be consistent because that's why they sell.

    I never once said everything should line up so I'm not sure where you got that from. Bringing in Beast Wars is an extreme extrapolation about my comment about the speeds of some car characters.

    If you mean to say that the only way to ever get objective answers is just the tech specs, that makes sense to an extent. But most people don't care about the tech specs and when they see a question about who's strongest they're going to think of the main fiction mediums. And the tech specs/bios are utterly irrelevant in that regard beyond providing a basic personality outline. There are no "supporting in-universe feats". Ratchet is never a party animal even though his bio says it. Bluestreak never shuts up but we never see anything about him being scarred by a past tragedy like the bio says.

    So if you literally just want to pull raw numbers that were made up at random (this Micromaster flies at uhh... Mach 2) out of tech specs and bios and order them least to greatest, sure, I guess that's objective, but it does not mesh at all with the wider fictional universe and you can't really blame people for acknowledging how the fiction actually functions.
     
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    Do you have a series in mind? If you can narrow it down to one continuity, like G1, animated or bayverse this would be easier to answer.

    Maybe another good question is what series has the most powerful characters in it?