Oh, I'm not sure there's any vindictiveness, but there are definitely two different visions going on and I feel like that hurts the cohesiveness of the sequel trilogy on the whole. To me, TROS really feels like it's a direct sequel to TFA and it seems to ignore TLJ wherever it can. Maybe it's just because we went from nostalgia to subversion, and then back to super nostalgia? I really feel the trilogy should have either had one director or a firm plan in place with key points the directors needed to follow. And keep in mind that while I say all this as someone who's not a fan of the TLJ for the most part (I enjoy parts of it) that I did enjoy Rian's Knives Out so I don't particularly have any beef with him as a creator... well... with the exception of how he interacts with fans who have dissenting opinions about his work, but that won't stop me from enjoying a film he's made if it's good.

 

I agree. I just enjoy the ST for what it is. I wasn’t a huge fan of TFA I unlike a great many people however like the ST characters so that goes a long way to enjoying the movies. I know a lot of people hate them or are genuinely disinterested in them. I never really took them as one-upping the OT characters, though I understand why many people feel that way. I just thought it had more to do with what you can do with movie now. If Lucas could have had Luke floating boulders around him he would have. On that note we need to go easier on the Force powers Disney, jeez take it down a notch.

 

To this day, I wonder why in God’s name did the directors thought that the sequel hook in Solo was acceptable..... It’s probably the worst one in any movie. Just tell people to watch Star Wars Rebels  

 

Too many threads and posts to read but looks like similar discussion here so I'll just quote my post from the other thread.

I already have tickets to see it again in Dolby Vision on Christmas Eve. It's gonna be nice seeing it in that quality.

 

It’s like the JJ version of revenge of the sith

 

Yeah, but it looks like it was edited by someone on crack.

 

So the

Spoiler

bad guy winning by having his own bloodline usurp the legacy of the only heroes who defeated him is a good film?

In the same universe where Leia's republic kicked her out because she was the daughter of Vader?

How does that make sense in your view?

 

Rey isn’t a politician.
I don’t believe you’re guilty of your ancestor’s sins.

 

And with no clones....oh wait...not those clones  

So are you saying I may need to sneak in some all natural Russian Spring water. The kind that is known to keep your warm during these cold winter months? I think I might have a bottle with a Goose on it....

 

Isn't it canon under Disney that Leia's new republic ended up going to shit because it kicked her out because she was Vader's daughter? I'm pretty sure it is, and Vader is the guy who ultimately saved the goddamn universe.

 

...and.

 

Yes, same for Luke according to a guy I know that has read all of the books.

 

The movie never suggests Rey’s parentage isn’t a problem, in fact quite the opposite in the last scene of the movie... I don’t get what you are both driving at?

 

Why the fuck does Rey get to get away with that, when Palpatine is entirely irredeemable, when Leia and Luke caught shit for being the kids of the guy who ultimately killed Palpatine the first time? Double standards much?

 

Saw it, loved it, the hate for it is just stupid BS, and how the hell no one talk about by now?

 

You lost me. Leia’s political career is damaged, in the books not on screen, but she is still immensely popular and leads the Resistance. Rey doesn’t get away with anything. You know where she is at the end of the movie. I have no clue what you are talking about.

 

This is probably one of the reasons why I choose to ignore the novels n stuff. I'll keep whatever is in the movies as my own head canon. From what I've read in the two threads talking about SW, it would seem it's just too much to keep up with. And in some small ways, it can certainly ruin your enjoyment of anything in the franchise because, as you've pointed out, there are things that just don't make sense. And then there's the argument that this is sci-fi and things really aren't supposed to make sense. Which I can understand and somewhat agree with.

The problem is, when we seek too much to have a story that makes sense in that way, and we seek a story that is ultimately something so well written that everything is all of a sudden cohesive with all aspects (comics, novels, movies, etc etc), we're asking for some of it that exists to be ignored in favor of other things that exists. But yet we're all so individually diverse in our likes and dislikes of the franchise as a whole, it would feel like for some, that parts of the things they love about Star Wars may be ignored. Left out. "Not canon." Or whatever. It's really hard to please everyone. And who knows, there might be folks out there that would be willing to forgo certain things for a "better told story." But it's all subjective. As I've said before, what we get...is what we get. Like it or love it or hate it, it is what it is. Star Wars for each of us...is what it is...for each of us.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe if they get the Russo brothers to do the next trilogy  

 

No, there's nothing wrong at all about Palpatine ursurping the Skywalker name by proxy. And that proxy never having to deal with the ramifications already confirmed to have been experienced by the offspring of a dude who was Palpatine's right hand man.

I think the problem here is that Star Wars was this massive, sprawling fictional universe that, while it had its flaws and inconsistencies, largely held up to scrutiny as a whole across virtually every kind of media possible - hell, they even made up an entire thing about a third Death Star simply to explain why Star Tours ends up doing a trench run.

That's no longer the case under Disney, where you have all of that existing stuff thrown out, in favor of a mixture of the worst parts of the EU (Palpatine coming back is, reportedly, just a crappier version of the already unpopular 'Dark Empire' portion of the original EU where he not only does come back, but it actually explains how he comes back...something RoS apparently doesn't do in the slightest, he's just around again somehow). Since I brought up Star Tours already, I'll bring up its current incarnation which is a complete mess because depending on the selection of events, you can have it where Finn is on Jakku and Crait simultaneously (and Cp30 is on the Starspeeder and Crait also simultaneously), or my personal favorite - the reverse time travel sequence where you start off with Kylo Ren attacking the star speeder and eventually end up crash landing in the middle of the battle of Naboo (which was before Kylo's mother is even born and Anakin is a child). Because the point of the new Star Tours isn't to really put you in the universe like the old one, it's to flash a bunch of recognizable characters and faces in front of you as fast as possible.

I'm not even that big a fan of Star Wars, honestly, and even I can tell the franchise really isn't being cared for as much as it used to. There used to be real effort in trying to keep things in a cohesive universe...now we have a bunch of films that went out of their way to render the original cast as a bunch of failures and an antagonistic force that has literally no goddamn purpose beyond being evil. Because really, what was the First Order even trying to DO with a fleet of miniature Death Stars? Kill literally everything for no reason? The Empire was simply 'control everything' because Palpatine was a control freak, symbolized by putting everything into a single planet-sized fortress weapon. But it didn't run the entire galactic economy into the ground out of pure spite which is what the FO clearly seems hell bent on doing by blowing up all the planets and thus destroying any source of funds and resources.

 

I think you're overestimating the amount of care and attention that went into keeping the Legends continuity internally consistent. I say that as someone who dearly loves that timeline.

Even just the six movies George Lucas made couldn't even keep themselves internally consistent with one another.

EDIT: Also, the reason given for the Empire and Palpatine in the Legends continuity was because he needed a strong military and hardened galaxy to survive a threat he had foreseen from the Unknown Regions, which was later written as/slightly retconned into the Vong.