When does any Jedi get to be happy? Lol.

 

Technically she’s not a Jedi.  

I do find it interesting how the changing political landscape has possibly effected things. Ahsoka having a brief love interest was apparently no big deal back when this was all storyboarded and even partially recorded/animated. I was no Lux fan to put it lightly, but Ahsoka having a relationship with someone more mundane would’ve been interesting to explore. She’s always been surrounded by authority figures or people more or less her equals, pairing her up with just a normal guy would’ve been neat because she would undoubtably be his “superior.”

Though I have the sneaking suspicion they swapped him with the sisters because they don’t want the “strong female character” to be forced into a relationship. (As if Ahsoka showing interest in a guy makes her any less strong than she already is) However, it could simply be that by shortening the plot they simply had to cut that aspect of her character arc. In the original S7 outline she would explore the underworld, meet Nix, they’d pal around and then we’d skip along to her discovering the Sith temple thing, then skip ahead again to her being sought out by Bo Katan to combat Maul. From the previews it seems Ahsoka hardly spends a day in the underworld before Bo comes to her for help, cutting down Ahsoka’s arc tremendously and precluding the ability to have any sort of relationship subplot. (Not that it would’ve ever lasted, mind you)

It is a shame, mind. Not because of the lost relationship, but just because despite season seven they still had to cut so much. Plus this is the big dramatic conclusion, so I doubt we’ll ever go back to explore the Sith temple, or Utapau, or Boba vs Bane.  

 

I agree, it was nice to get stuff like Siege of Mandalore and Bad Batch, but I really wanted a full length season with more. Boba Vs Bane, Dooku Vs the bounty hunter army. Son of Dathomir would’ve been great too, I’d love to have seen Maul and Talzin Vs Sidious, Dooku, and Grievous.

(I know I’m beating a dead horse as I’ve said this all before but geez. Aw well, can’t complain with what we got)

 

Fuck that, I'll complain! I want a double-length season! I want the show to cover every square inch of the three of the bloodiest years of the Galaxy's history!  

I just don't want the fun to end. I really hope this isn't the last time the Clone Wars is explored. I don't want to say goodbye to Anakin, Ahsoka, Rex, Grievous, etc. I mean, they did this show after Gendy's version, so it's possible. This era of Star Wars was just so rich with concepts and action that made Star Wars fun. It's a shame that no time span after that captures the grand-scale adventure of two colossal armies fighting for control over the galaxy.

Hell, you know what'd be cool? A CW miniseries that finishes up the missing arcs in the original 2003 Gendy style ala Samurai Jack's last season. Same characters and plots from here, just in that old visual and narrative style. It'd be cheaper to produce and standalone enough as to not spoil this show's conclusion.

 

Michelle Rejwan Joins the Lucasfilm Executive Team | Lucasfilm

One of Jar Jar's production assistants is now in charge of the live-action part of LucasFilm.

 

So she’s the Kevin Feige of SW now.

 

Here's some of the concept art and story that Lucas originally wanted to be the story for VII, and why he said he felt like he'd sold his children after TFA came out.




These are the first two characters George created for 7, named Kira and Sam. Kira was conceived as a young force sensitive orphan from Junkion trash world. Much like Luke, Kira yearned for adventure, but never could get a chance until her adoptive home town is destroyed by a group of bad guys. She was described as a loner and a gear-head with a love for machines.

She eventually meets Sam, originally conceived as a loner mercenary who is very anti-social "but oozed charisma" who is also later revealed to be an orphan. An early piece of concept art also shows him wielding a blue lightsaber (which I guess is why Finn briefly wields one in the film just to get dunked). There are a lot of ideas that got thrown around during back when George was in charge, but one concept was that Kira meets Sam at a local spaceport and convinces him to get her off-world in hopes of joining the highly esteemed Jedi Academy of Luke Skywalker on Yavin 4.



Eventually the two meet a guy who was never given a name before Jar-Jar decided to make ANH again. He was established as a tall and muscular black man resembling Mace Windu (dunno if they were related, but some speculate Windu survived Anakin's attack and eventually fathered this guy) and he went through three concepts: In the first, Nameless was a Jedi who came to protect Kira and help escort her to the academy, in the second he was a bounty hunter with a Not Chewbacca, who was hired to hunt down Sam but decides to join him and Kira for some reason, and finally he was re-imagined as a New Republic officer who was helping to escort the two youths to Luke. Doe ends up sacrificing himself to protect them at some point in the movie. This guy was eventually turned into Poe, and Sam was turned into the useless Finn.




Throughout the original concept, the characters are constantly under the threat of a villainous of group who are simply known as the "Jedi Killers", an entire organization of genetically enhanced Force users whose one goal was to hunt down all Jedi and abduct any Force sensitive they could find. They were led by a mysterious villain who was never given a proper name. He had tried to use one of the Imperial remnants to pull a Snoke, but in this version, the original cast weren't losers, and successfully defeated him, although he escaped to the Outer Rim to create the Jedi Killers .




He wouldn't serve as the main villain of the episode, however. Instead he would act through his main agent, a red Twi-lek based on Darth Talon, a perverse and manipulative Dark Side user who would use any means to kill jedi or corrupt others. One storyboard portrayed her introduction: she appears being harassed at a cantina before being saved by a Jedi Master of the new order. Eventually she seduces the Jedi and sleeps with him, but its all a ruse as she quickly kills him. Her main goal in the story was to kill Sam and Kira before they could reach Luke Skywalker but eventually she aims to corrupt the youngest son of Han and Leia who is under Luke's protection.

It was also hinted that Kira and Sam were to be revealed as being related to Han and Leia, but it wasn't clear how. Some people think that they were their lost children, but others think that they were grand children that they never knew existed, and the Jedi Killers were responsible for their parents death. Hence why the youngest son is under the protectionof Luke.

 

Man, the idea of an orphan going on a quest to join Luke's Jedi academy is so awesome. I really wish that had been the plot for TFA. I can just imagine that cliffhanger ending, but instead of Luke standing on a cliff, he's standing outside his Jedi Temple, welcoming his new Padawan.

It's interesting that the best (and most "Star Warsy") part of TFA was based on Lucas' original drafts. By that I mean pretty much the first third, on Jakku. As soon as they deviated from that, we ended up with a third Death Star, an uninspired Emperor 2.0, and a weird side-quest to Maz's palace. Something like the genetically altered "Jedi Killer" organization would have been so much cooler than a second-generation Stormtrooper army. In short, these original concepts sound like a better progression of the OT storyline, and less of a repeat.

I know it's a somewhat minor thing, but I really wish they had used the name "Kira" instead of "Rey". "Kira" sounds more like a Star Wars name to me. "Rey" has always sounded a little hokey, for lack of a better word. Almost like a Saturday morning cartoon character's name. We really didn't need the dark/light parallels spelled out so much throughout the movie (in this case, "ray of light"). Pre-TLJ I was hoping they'd reveal "Kira" to be her real name, but that probably won't happen with "Qi-ra" existing in canon. On the other hand, I prefer "Finn" to "Sam", "Sam" sounds too modern.

 

I don’t know that sounds pretty loosely thought out. Rian and JJ did a better job at least the stakes are there with the ST. You still have all the same problems. Vader didn’t really destroy the Sith if we have Darth Talon so all the same complaints about the ST there. And Darth Talon sounds like the best idea and that was Ostrander and Duursema from Legacy. Lucas doing a couple of kids playing around in Luke’s safe universe protected by his Jedi Academy sounds light as fuck after the Chosen One and the whole galaxy on the line. Wow that’s a letdown it’s not surprising they scrapped that, exactly what SW didn’t need too much safety.

 

The Imperial remnants would still be around, and a threat. They just wouldn't have more money than the Emperor and have a Super Death Star to conquer the galaxy in an hour. I believe that the idea was the main villain had gotten a hold of the ability to make clones, and so in later episodes you would have a crap load of Dark Side trained clone warriors .

 

The top concept art for Sam looks remarkably like Alden's Han Solo.

The first half of it sounds interesting. The second half (Not Darth-Talon, dark side clones) sounds a bit naff. I'm not convinced that revisiting 'antagonist stamps out endless clones' is worth revisiting anymore than 'giant space death sphere' was.

 

I think that it would depend upon the execution. George is a great concept guy, but sucks at details. However, the clone thing might have been off. All that is known is that he was using the technology to create genetically enhanced Force users. For all we know, he was just using the cloning technology to boost their ability to use the Force somehow.

 

I was thinking Sam looked like Alden's Han too.

I think clones could have been done well. Genetically-altered Dark Side clones would have been a very different than Clone Troopers, and potentially more interesting. For that matter a new superweapon could have been done well, if they had come up with something more unique. I'm guessing they steered away from clones because TFA was made during a time when the prequels weren't overly beloved, and TFA definitely wanted people to not think of those movies.

I seem to recall hearing that even some of the Lucasfilm people weren't overly fond of Starkiller base. Didn't Pablo Hidalgo even say he found it "hard to buy" or something? In hindsight, I'm surprised that idea got approved in it's current form.

Maybe the idea was that the clones received "midichlorian supplements", or something along those lines. That would kind of fit with what Lucas was saying about "exploring the microscopic world".

On a side note, I've always felt like General Grievous should have been injected with midichlorians. That would explain why the Jedi can't just crush him with The Force. I mean, the midichlorians are still a silly idea, but if they're going to be a part of the story, they might as well be used in some interesting ways.

 

I guess. One thing about Lucas is the story would have had shit tons of world-building and interesting sci-fi. The stakes just sound non-existent. I think you pretty much had to do what Disney did or just jump way beyond the OT characters. Otherwise it’s just a fun side-story post Space Jesus. With Luke and a whole new Jedi Order behind him you either need a massive new threat or everything is totally safe because Luke can just show up knock the bad guy off the map, literally. Probably why they should have just done a Legacy type of story.

 

If they didn't want to use the OT stuff, they should have time skipped a hundred years or something.

 

I would argue that he does for his era. As we have seen in previous Star Wars books, games, shows, and hints in movie dialogue, the Sith have a habit of being defeated only to return later in some form or another. Sith Holocrons and Dark/Fallen Jedi could make for a bad combo regarding a potential return, to say nothing of any Sith "ghosts" (like Marka Ragnos) who manage to come around and stick their fingers in the pies of the living.

 

Are they?

Because it's never been clear just who is the dominant power in the ST. And any sense of threat or loss is tonally undercut by bad direction and lack of explanation.

And really, Sith just became a catch-all for Dark Side users. All you need to be a Sith is a lust for power and a strong control of the Dark Side, which is not exclusive to any group.

Darth Vader did destroy the Sith, he did bring balance to the Force. He just didn't keep the balance, because he can't as a mortal man. That's up to future generations to carry on that duty that started with the "Chosen One."

You're also comparing what was, at best, a rough outline to what is a mostly complete trilogy. Obviously the details and overarching story would have been tweaked and reshaped to work better. Building a credible threat wouldn't be hard.

Meanwhile, we have two movies in the ST, and there's no sense of stakes, no sense of plot progression, no sense of... anything. The world feels tiny and trivial, with the First Order being a pathetic presence and the Resistance being down to twelve or so people who seem more or less okay with being literally the last hope for the Galaxy.

 

Nah, it's simple : in TFA the New Order is a minor league threat that only some take seriously. Two days later, they conquer the galaxy.

 

Bah..We know the FO is pretty dominant after they kill the government in TFA and roll-over the Resistance in TLJ. We probably won’t agree on this but my point is the ST is still playing for the whole universe and more so the Legacy of the Skywalker name. The only descendent, we know of, is a shit. As far as lack of explanation the whole picture isn’t finished the final installment isn’t out. Neither of the previous trilogies work without the 3rd installments.
That Lucas treatment has no stakes, just kids playing in Luke’s backyard.

That’s literally the point of the FO in TFA. I personally hate Starkiller Base but it’s hardly difficult to follow or out of character for SW super-weapons.
Hux has a massive I am a psycho fanatic speech, you think we’re a joke? We just killed your government. It’s like Handmaids Tale.