Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Last Jedi

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  1. Thylacine2000

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    The most valuable thing Luke ever had, his blessing and his curse, his triumph and his undoing, was The Legend Of Luke Skywalker, Ultimate Hero.

    Luke Skywalker, fallible mortal 60-something-year-old man, watching his cohort age and die around him, hated The Legend Of Luke Skywalker, Ultimate Hero. It was all anyone knew of him. It was what people needed him to be. Oh, the people knew the Legend. They told and retold it, fan-atically. He would never be remembered for anything else.

    So how does Luke choose to go out, his swan song?

    By re-creating The Legend Of Luke Skywalker, Ultimate Hero. As an illusion. A fantasy fiction. You might say he DIRECTED it. And EDITED it. And PROJECTED it.

    And when he's gone?

    That projection, that fantasy illusion of the ultimate perfect hero, outlives him in his fans.
     
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  2. Alucard77

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    I am not questioning her being able to have the force, it's more that in space, you'd be dead in that instance. If you want to say she cacooned herself in the force and then force pulled herself in, then okay.

    To me that is a stretch. One that is a bit too far. Especially based on how the scene was structured.
     
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  3. TattooedRobot

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    No the Old Republic Jedi shunned some abilities and did not teach them. So maybe they didn't teach them because of Jedi "Dogma".
     
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    And what about Force Ghosts? Liam Neeson didn’t learn that trick till after the Jedi had been around for a thousand generations..... I guesss Lucas isn’t a “decent” writer either.
     
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    NO, MP33! BAD MP33! :horse: 
     
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  6. Starscream Gaga

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    Prequel Jedi were trained from birth. Luke knew a Jedi for about na hour and then could use the Force to blow up space stations. They haven't exactly been consistent.
     
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  7. ArmadaJetfire

    ArmadaJetfire Yamato is go! ;D

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    He is terrible. Have you read the original script for Star Wars? Luke Stakiller was going to be the Obi Wan character and Han Solo was going to be a Greedo character? His dialogue is stilled at best and his directing is "just read what I wrote. Dont worry about what lead into this scene. Just read it." Thank god there were people there for the OT that said "No George that wont work. You need to do it like this."
     
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    Blasphemer! Thou dost talketh of St. Lucas and the Holy OT! Oh low in ‘77 George did ascend the Temple Mount and crap out thee Star Wars! First of the Trinity blessed be!
     
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  9. Los

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    I dunno, maybe cuz movies j/k.

    In the beginning of ROTS, doesn't a republic fighter gets blown up and the pilot flies by Anakin/Obi screaming and waving his arms in space, lol? No breathing apparatus whatsoever.
     
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  10. ArmadaJetfire

    ArmadaJetfire Yamato is go! ;D

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    Lucas is Judas. A curse on him! :D 
     
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  11. lazerface

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    I was cautiously optimistic when they announced these new movies. and went in with extremely low expectations, knowing I wouldn't get what I really want, but maybe it would at least be "passable" and better than the prequels.

    I'm not crazy about Force Awakens, but most people I've talked to hate on it a lot more than I do.

    I was really pleasantly surprised with Rogue One. It's easily my favorite of this new batch.

    The Last Jedi was very weird... At least half the stuff in this movie felt like the continuation of all the worst parts of Phantom Menace and Attack Of The Clones to me. All of the early scenes with Luke on the island and the whole "codebreaker-casino-planet-horseback-prison-escape" would have fit in those prequel movies. It's the kind of action, humor and special effects that I would expect in another Michael Bay Transformers movie or one of those recent Ninja Turtles. It's fine for a generic popcorn action movie that you just watch once, but doesn't fit Star Wars in my opinion.

    I really hated everything they did with Luke up until the scene with Yoda. I thought what they did with him after that at least fit the character I knew from the original movies, and it was a decent send off. It seems like Mark Hamill could be a complete beast with the acting chops these days, so it's a shame they didn't give him better material to work with. That last standoff between him and the bad guys was a pretty decent idea at the core, but could have been so much better if they stretched it out longer to something more epic and dropped all the humor during that third act. Some better acting from Adam Driver and maybe a longer more emotional dialogue between Kylo and Luke during that final stand-off could have really paid off. I thought the same thing about the Kylo and Han Solo scene from Force Awakens.

    I feel like one of the big problems they've had with these last two "main series" movies is that there is so much secrecy around the script and production, very few people working on it have any idea how the final product will turn out until it is almost done and too late. They must compartmentalize all the staff so much, that none of them can really speak up and say "that's a terrible idea, let's do it this way instead".

    It didn't leave me really excited for the next installment in any way. Meh.
     
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    Disliking the new movies? Fine.
    Attempting to downplay flaws of the OT? Strange...

    Both of those together in the same handful of users? Your arrogance blinds you, Master Yoda.
     
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    Not to mention the no pressure thing your fucking eyes would blow out of your head among other things....and of course the no sound thing.
     
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    As a human of Earth I am not questioning the physics or science of a space saga movie. All I am saying is that in a movie universe where people use the Force to shoot lightening out of their hands or supposedly keep people from dying it might not be that far fetched that someone uses the Force to momentarily survive in space outside a space crusier with life support and shields. You might as well question how the heck Poe got Leia back in without decompression.
     
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    The "fiction" in science fiction applies as its own term as well as in conjunction with the "science" part. Some things you just have to roll with.
     
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    Exactly. It’s always been this way.
     
  17. ArmadaJetfire

    ArmadaJetfire Yamato is go! ;D

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    Like I said he had people to correct the mistakes he had in the first draft and the directing. He corrected it and a legend was born.
     
  18. Wrecker217

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    "Join me. Please."

    The three words Ben/Kylo said to Rey as he asks her to join him. It says a ton about the characterization of Ben Solo/Kylo Ren, and Adam Driver's performance when saying it only seals the deal. It captures the character's ongoing turmoil, of his hatred towards his heritage, but we can feel that he is still unsure of what he just did, and he truly wants Rey to join because she's the only one that might understand, it captures that he is actually afraid of doing this alone. That single line also removes Kylo Ren from the "you are beneath me" attitude that we get either from Vader telling Luke to join him or Palpatine persuading Anakin to join the dark side. He's not only looking to become the most powerful being in the galaxy, he's looking to find an equal to help him. It makes Kylo's struggle and motivation feel real. He took the bet that Rey would want to join him when he killed Snoke. From those three words I can feel that he's still the same young inexperienced force user who is disappointed of his supposed master and uncle.

    "Please don't don't go this way."

    As Kylo is asking possibly the one person who understands him, there is Rey begging Ben to turn. Think about where she is at that moment. Rey is finally coming to terms that despite all the people she tried to find a semblance of family in, she must admit that her true parents are gone forever. No parents. No Luke Skywalker. No Han Solo. She is alone in the galaxy save for the one person in front of her, and she knows to join Kylo on that path is wrong. Despite a chance to have a sense of belonging in the universe, she had to refuse, and still tries to bring him back to the light. In Rey's 19 years in the galaxy, she believes that no one is beyond redemption, not even the monster she saw kill his own father. Her innocence and naivete goes a long way.

    These lines make the last "Force bridge" scene between then near the end of the movie that much sadder. With the way Ben looks up at Rey just for her to close the Millenium Falcon ramp, Rey is presumably ending any chance of her joining Kylo Ren in his struggle. Biggest thing to note was the fact that despite Snoke being the one to bridge their minds, they still have that connection between each other with him dead. I really hope JJ takes this unsure relationship between Rey and Kylo Ren to interesting places in the next installment.
     
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    "You can type this shit, George, but you sure as hell can't say it!"
     
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  20. Thylacine2000

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    People CAN survive in outer space. It's certainly not a good idea or anything, but if you shut your eyes and DON'T hold your breath, you've got about 15 seconds of consciousness and if you are somehow rescued you'd probably survive. A pure vacuum is a bad heat conductor.

    Can you survive in space without a spacesuit?
     
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