Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Last Jedi

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  1. Galvatross

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    Agreed fully, and not only that. That whole subplot was just a much, much more poorly executed regurgitation of the Millennium Falcon evading the Imperials in ESB, when the Rebellion had also just evacuated their base and the Falcon couldn't escape the Empire via hyperspace (although for completely different reasons).

    Spoiler alert: Kim Kardashian is the real leader of the First Order, and she makes the black hole generator, a weapon known as the Ass-teroid, in the image of her massive rear end.

    At least that could be entertaining.
     
  2. General Magnus

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    The Old Republic lasted about 3 thousand years, I would say that´s quite a good run. Most empires don´t last that long.
     
  3. ArmadaJetfire

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    All the crews and the material just gone and you think that the Resistance will go "meh, it's but a scratch." They can"t think like that. The entire Resistance was on one cruiser a 2 support ships. So maybe 600 hundred people? A Poe basicly threw their ONLY heavy bombers away. Yes Poe saved them, but Leia can see the big picture. They can not go tie to toe with the First Order like that. The Rebellion had more troops, material, and ship at the beginning of the civil war and they knew they couldn't keep going if they got into a straight up fight. The Resistance has maybe a quarter of what the rebels had in the OT. Poe at the beginning see the little picture, i.e. "yeah we got a dreadnought!" Where Leia see the big picture i.e. "but at what cost? And how many more do the have?"
    To quote Admiral Akbar "We can't repel firepower of that magnitude."
     
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  4. General Magnus

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    So, what did they wanted those bombers for anyways? To keep rusting on a hangar?
     
  5. Dr Kain

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    Oh I agree the Leia thing was awful, but people are acting like the Force been given rules when no movie has ever stated such. The Force can be whatever the writer wants it to be.
     
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    Agreed, I have zero problems with the way the Force is represented in the film, it's actually one of the best things about the film. I also don't really have a problem with Leia using the Force to save herself per se. The problem is Carrie Fisher died before being able to complete the trilogy, she cannot appear in episode 9, so as a film maker, having filmed a scene in which she is sucked out into space why would you go to the trouble of bringing her back? The problem is not a Star Wars problem it's a basic film making problem. In fact all my problems with TLJ are basic film making problems, the pointless casino subplot, Snokes bait and twist, it's all oh so unessasary.
     
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  7. Insane Galvatron

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    The biggest tragedy in these films ( besides the actual loss of Carrie Fischer ) is that we never got that reunion of the three of them together. Leia met Han, and then met the projection of Luke, but Luke didn't get to see Han again.
     
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    Rian responded to the criticism about Leia's survival. He said that after Carrie passed, they considered using that scene as her last. But that it would mean we wouldn't get to see her finish with Poe, hug Chewie, or that amazing scene with Luke that Mark Hamill says he has trouble watching now.
     
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  9. smkspy

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    Absolutely, hence "cause the force" is the equivalent of "cause reasons".

    But I think that it is not just the Leia thing, it's the Luke project, Raiden Yoda, Rey transporting into the darkside pit during her first meditation, Snoke's telephone between Ren and Rey. Most of the movies introduced one or two new aspects of the force each movie. This was the whole kitchen.

    But cause the force, which can do anything. I liked a lot of it myself, but can see why many think it is just too much.

    I'm glad Leia lived, it was a great ending for her character, some hope left for her that good will prevail, just a shame that they'll have to do the off screen death.
     
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  10. TattooedRobot

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    But it would be static universe then, we would learn nothing new. Keeping within the prior films constraints would be a mistake. If everything is the same nothing is new....
    The Rey / Kylo "force dates" are one of the most interesting uses of the force in a film. Leia Poppins ah less so but fuck it let the old lady have some excesses in the film.
     
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  11. Dr Kain

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    And what limitations did the first 6 movies show? They can make a woman pregnant, they can make people jump high, float through a city, see better, they can make a kid blow up a battle station, make a teenager blow up a battle station, turn people to ghosts, shoot lightning from their hands, etc. I fail to see where there are limiations.
     
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  12. smkspy

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    Six movies that built those elements one on top of another with each movie. They didn't throw all of them at you in one movie.

    Anakin blowing up the space station worked because Luke used the force to blow up the death star.

    Obi-wan turning into a force ghost worked because Obi-wan guided Luke when he blew up the death star.
     
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    My limit to the force can do everything is two fold.

    1- Death

    Why didn't any other Jedi or Sith Lord in history defeat death? Wouldn't all the Sith Lords use this knowledge to save themselves from a fall or anything else of the sort? It doesn't fit anywhere, and means that what you introduced is the ability for any Jedi and/or Sith to now defeat death. Without death, there is no consequence.

    2- Yoda

    If as a deceased Jedi, you can materialize thunder, then why can you not use that to strike down the evil forces at play.

    These two items, make no sense within the force, as I see it anyway. The rest of it, I didn't have issues with.

    Having said that, with these two items, as the last scenes happened, I literally thought, wait, are they gonna superman this mofo and have it that Luke can rewind time?

    If you think that the force allows for time manipulation because the the writer deems it so, then we'll agree to disagree.
     
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    Meh, surprised by how much i disagree with here. RLM makes some valid points as they always do, but quite a few of their arguments make no sense.

    Still, it's RLM, so I clapped when i saw it and upvoted it anyway.
     
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  15. Starscream Gaga

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    Wait, how did Leia get "saved by the Force"? The way I saw it she survived being sucked out of the ship and used the Force to telekinetically move herself back to the ship, not that the Force brought her back to life or anything. Maybe surviving deep space is ridiculous, but this is Star Wars.

    Having Leia have Force powers is hardly going against anything pre-established. We were basically told in ROTJ (and hinted towards in ESB) that she had as much of an affinity towards it as Luke. It doesn't seem unreasonable to assume that she's learn't some mastery of it over the past 30 years... in TFA she had that telepathic reaction to Han's death too.
     
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    It's starting to drive me insane especially the dumbest thing I have ever watched, the Shadiversity dipshit try and trash TLJ for its stupid scenes. Let's create a list of incredibly dumb things from the "holy" from the OT.

    The force brings R2's message directly to Luke Skywalker from the guy's sister who are both Vader's kids. Wow! Force coincidence...

    The Deathstar 1 and 2

    Tarkin destroys Alderaan? Why? Would you maybe raid its wealth and resources before you destroyed it? Seems like a stupid waste of money, it's a planet not a building.

    Death Star can move at light speed but.... not to the right side of the Gavin moon or whatever to blow up the Rebel base. Why have to wait? Okay... please hold.

    Death Star had a massive self-destruct buttton. Oh wait explained with a movie yet still preposterous.

    Stormtroopers for some inexplicable reason cannot shoot with any degree of accuracy.

    The best Stormtroopers fold to cudly bears.

    If you blow up the bridge of a Super Destroyer it falls from the sky, which is amazing since even Aircraft carriers have second bridges.

    The crew of the Millennium Falcon don't need spacesuits inside a space slug

    Space Slugs.....

    The Force. I don't think George Lucas understand physics at all....

    Sounds in space...

    Yoda thinks a fully trained Luke can defeat the Emperor and Vader. Huh killed the Jedi Order but farmboy has a reasonable shot....

    This is not a comprehensive list. SW is dumb.
     
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  17. Rodimus Prime

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    "I didn't agree with someone, so I will call them a name! "

    Seems rational.
     
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  18. Alucard77

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    Ah well, I saw it as her dying.

    Tbh, I may have not liked it, but let's say that Luke had used 1 line in his meet up with her saying he used the force to protect her and save her, I would be fine with it.

    I just hate useless gotchas like that in any movie. If a character is dead, their dead. Especially when they are dead in real life. For the next movie we either have to see cgi Leia or have to have some side story how she died of a broken heart or some shit.

    Speaking of which, what exactly did this movie leave for the next?
     
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  19. TattooedRobot

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    That's all you got? Where is your rational argument? Listening to that fool call things "stupid" when he knows damn well the same stupid things are in the OT is about as sickeningly disingenuous as it gets....
     
  20. Los

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    No kidding, I can't believe people are tearing TLJ apart over things that were clearly visible in OT.

    Leia:
    • is the daughter of Anakin Skywalker, who is born out of the Force
    • Luke says she is a 'stronger' of the two (as in a fighter)
    • in the same moment she learns she is Luke's brother she says "I have always known" and then later that day uses the Force to sense that Luke made it off the Death Star
    People are saying, WTF!, how can she force pull herself back to the ship? BTW she gave birth to Kylo Ren a force-using prick, so she may have picked up a thing or two since ROTJ folks. If that isn't obvious at the end of the movie a kid, who we know nothing about, force pulls a broom.
     
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