SS86 Bumblebee first look!

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by John TheDestroyer, May 14, 2024.

  1. NOBLExGAMER

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    Did you just not read what I wrote?
     
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    They explained on stream that blue windows were impossible to implement.
     
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    If you're having budget constraints then stop adding inaccurate things to characters.
     
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    Not painting the taillights DOES NOT MAKE NYLON ABLE TO TAKE PAINT
     
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    Right, but they say they can't do a lot of things, then they do.
     
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    Right, but if we can get a Sunstreaker with blue windows, why not this? Why would Bumblebee be using different material than Sunstreaker?
     
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    There are nylon hinge joints that are part of the windows on this mold. Sunstreaker doesn’t have any nylon parts making up the windows.
     
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    And they literally did it with the multipack Sunstreaker.
     
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    Isn't there light blue nylon on Studio Series Blurr? It looks pretty close in color to the blue windows on the others to me.
     
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    Not relevant, tho.
    It's not that they can't use the right color nylon, it's that all the black nylon parts are on the same spru.
    If they make those parts blue then you'd end up with blue windows and blue & black arms and legs.
     
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    You’re completely missing the point as to why, please watch this video at the 31:48 mark and Evan literally explains why

    Also point out to me where “they say they can’t do a lot of things, then they do” examples over the past few years of things like this they say they can’t do then end up doing

    https://www.youtube.com/live/OOXZGDHebTk?si=dLlHMHia4rPlO_LB
     
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    It's not different materials. All modern retail figures use a mix of nylon and ABS parts. Nylon is used in joints and structural parts because it's stronger, but ABS is used everywhere else because it can be painted. Sunstreaker's roof and window parts are all ABS plastic, so it can be painted blue. Bumblebee, due to being so small, had to have some of the structural nylon parts visible from the outside, happening to be in the window area. In summary, Sunstreaker has completely ABS windows, so can be painted any way they want to. Bumblebee has windows that are partially ABS and partially nylon, and since the nylon can't be painted, the ABS parts have to be painted to match the nylon

    If some of the nylon is blue on the figure, them all the nylon on the figure is blue. To get solid blue windows, you would also have various visible blue joints throughout the figure. All the nylon parts are on one mold sprue, so if they make some of those parts blue, they all have to be blue
     
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    So change the plastic. Little Bumblebee needs different plastic than the larger Sunstreaker?
    When I say "they say", it's merely recall. This is not a dissertation, thesis, research paper, or deposition, I don't need sources or a bibliography. "They" have said that some things were hard to achieve, and not long after, do it. All of these reboot figures with the extra articulation are great examples. The missing missiles from Has Lab RID Ultra Magnus, said they they were able to find extra material left to create them. They found a way. And that's all I'm saying. Not trying to start a war here.
     
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    Back when TakaraTOMY used to release Repaints on a regular basis, I seem to recall that they would just cast the Part Twice in Different Colours, but that rarely happens nowadays. If course, we had to pay a Premium too...
     
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    Don’t move the goalpost or back track now, you made a claim and I asked for proof of said claim, maybe don’t make that claim then if you can’t back it up. Also “hard to achieve” isn’t the same as them literally telling us exactly why it can’t happen in this instance. Those examples you used aren’t the same thing, Also multiple people were trying to explain this to you and you seem to be ignoring the facts or making statements such as “change the plastic” as if that’s a realistic option in this scenario. no one’s starting a war but if maybe next time don’t make false claims if you don’t want to be corrected on them
     
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    I understand, but for example: Buzzworthy Cliffjumper was molded out of blue plastic then painted, as was Hound. The new Trailbreaker seems to be this grey plastic, but with painted blue windows.
     
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    I made one simple opinionated rhetorical statement that needed no rebuttal, and some jump on it like I slapped them in the face. They're toys, and a hobby. It's ok to speculate and wonder. But just to end this impasse, he most likely will have blue windows at some point, maybe not this time around, but later.
     
  18. Fenrys

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    Other people have already explained it better, but nylon is used for joints and structural parts because it is more flexible and less prone to breaking, but the trade off is that it can't be painted using the paints that Hasbro uses in the factory. Sunstreaker's car canopy/windshield was made out of ABS, not nylon, this is true of both versions of the mold (notice, both versions have paint on that part, just with inverted layouts). Parts of Bumblebee's windows are joints/structural bits, so they're made out of nylon. The choices are to either paint the windows blue, leaving the black nylon bits as they are (think like the black bits in the door hinges of the Sideswipe mold), make the windows black to match the nylon or make the windows blue and have the rest of the nylon parts in blue as well. Those are the realistic/practical options for this figure and they chose the one that would aesthetically look the best.
     
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    With the choices in engineering they made, the current deco is the best they could do in regards to the windows. Which just leads to the question why would you design it this way

    I mean the answer is they probably used up all the wave's budget on Optimus and kinda just used the scraps for Bee
     
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    Those are all example of ABS plastic, they were already painted parts. Nylon CAN'T take factory paint.
     
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