I wouldn't object to Hobgoblin. I think it would satisfy the need for an unused villain and give an MCU Goblin like some have been wanting.
Marvel, I hope you read this. That's genius casting right there. Spoiler Anyway, I do have one question. Did they ever say Liz's last name in the movie? I could have sworn they said "Allen" at least once, but Vulture is still listed as Adrian Toomes in the credits. Granted they never really go into their actual relation. He didn't really strike me as a stepfather, but I guess he could be. I just assumed he was her biological father when I first saw it.
So the Joker wanted to play the Vulture but lost the role to Batman? Also that'd be weirdly meta considering all the Star Wars references.
Sorry if this is been discussed already but I'm just joining this topic and don't have the time to go through a few hundred pages I just saw this film and loved it I don't really have any gripes but a real good....... what's with the total lack of his Spider Sense? I saw no indication of it in the entire film Not even when you'd expect to see it the most
They said he is developing it. He's only been Spider-Man for a few months, so he hasn't really learned it yet.
In Civil War when he's trying not to say "With great power..." to Tony Stark, he says that when this happened his senses got turned up to 11. I assume that's a reference to his Spider-sense. He also says that his homemade goggles are to tune out the extra sensory input. While Peter gets caught unaware several times in HC, there's a scene during the 3rd act that makes visual and auditory reference to sensory overload. I'm guessing part of his arc will be developing that.
Either way, it is interesting. I'm glad they are trying something new with Spidey in the MCU while keeping his personality in tune with the Stan Lee era.
After rewatching all the Spidey flicks lately, my final rankings would go. 1. Spider-man 2 2. Spider-man: Homecoming 3. Spider-man 4. The Amazing Spider-man 5. The Amazing Spider-man 2 6. Spider-man 3 I'm guessing that's largely the same list as most people. #2 & 3 were really close. I initially thought SM3 was better than AMS2 but SM3 is definitely worst.
I really enjoyed this one! This ranking seems about right after one view. I'm not sure after a few more times, though. Right now, I feel like it could end up at the very top after I have time to marinate on it. 1. Spider-man 2 / Spider-man: Homecoming 2. Spider-man 3. The Amazing Spider-man 4. Spider-man 3 5. The Amazing Spider-man 2 I really like that all the actors seem like believable highschool kids this time around. I loved the Captain America cameos. Before it was released, I was worried that the Iron Man cameos and special suit might get in the way of a good story, but it worked surprisingly well. I'm happy they didn't have a bulky Iron Spider suit, because that would have been too much. Since this seems like it will end up as the definitive version, I still wish we could have seen his origin with the radioactive spider and Uncle Ben somehow before the actor is too old. I understand why they don't want to make the general audience sit through that for a third time, though. The only other thing I MIGHT have preferred is if they kept his identity secret from his friend and May. As far as future movies and speculation... I want to see them keep this going for at least 5 or 6 solid solo movies and some cross overs. I know they keep saying that they don't want to rehash villains, but I would love to see Green Goblin, Lizard or Venom done better in the MCU. Never getting a good Venom is really the biggest loss I think. It would have been cool if they did Eddie Brock Venom first. Then have the option to spin off into Carnage or have Flash eventually join the Guardians Of The Galaxy as Agent Venom. To really do Venom justice though, they would have to take it into some light horror/suspense territory, and I'm sure they want to keep Spider-Man movies appealing to all ages, even more than all their other properties. I'm still holding out some hope they will introduce the black suit symbiote during the Infinity War. Paul Giamatti's Rhino from Amazing Spider-Man 2 was actually kind of fun, and it's a shame they can't carry him over as some recurring side villain that just shows up and gets busted each movie. I really can't see them doing better than the Spider-Man 2 Doc Oc story, so they might as well leave that character alone, even though the tech would look great in MCU. I don't need any more Electro or Sandman. I guess they already set up Scorpion, Shocker, and Tinkerer in this movie... I'm on board if Scorpion is the main villain for the next one. That dude has been putting down some good acting lately in other stuff. I just wonder if they could do something more interesting than another mech suit for the character? I have my money on them using Mysterio, Kraven, Chameleon and Black Cat really soon. Any of them could easily carry the main villain role for a movie. It would be great to see Kingpin, Punisher, Morbius or Doctor Doom, but I know those are pipe dreams... Anyways, it's exciting to see the character done well again!
Not saying your opinion is wrong, but I'd definitely say Amazing Spider-Man 2 is the worst. Both it and 3 suffer from similar problems, mostly being too full of subplots and villains. But at least in 3 everything gets wrapped up. It's messy sure, but at least it's self-contained. ASM2's big issue is that it drops a bunch of things that are supposed to lead into future movies, but will now never go anywhere.
Spider-man 3 doesn't wrap everything up, it leaves things frustratingly open ended. The whole build up of the first two movies was Peter and MJ getting together and this movie completely destroys their relationship and it ends with them kinda together......but not all that happy, and that was the unsatisfying ending to that series. And Sandman killing Uncle Ben? What a fantastic way to f#%k up the impact of Spidey's origin in part 1. For me what it comes down to is that I really enjoyed the first act of SM3. Until he gets the black-suit, I think it's as entertaining as SM1 & 2. Once he gets the black-suit the movie turned into a sh#tfest for the second act and finished with a meh final act. AMS2 wasn't nearly as entertaining as the best parts of SM3 but I don't think it reached the lows SM3 did at times.
I actually think Flint Marko killing Ben was one of the more interesting things about SM3. The best scenes of the movie though are when Peter is strolling down the street doing his dance bit and the Jazz clube scene as they are so ridiculously over the top it was nice to see Tobey actually let loose for a change. ASM2 is better than the third Raimi movie though as the fight against Electro was cool and we got to see Peter being a scientist and doing science-y things. Plus, Andrew and Emma had amazing chemistry together so every scene with them was great. There was no chemistry between Tobey and Kirsten at all and every time they were together it seemed like two wooden blocks with nails were trying to be fitted together.
Marko killing Ben is interesting because it's shocking they would go through with such a terrible writing decision. That revelation completely botches what a great job at how they did his origin in Part 1 with an unnecessary retcon. I get that they needed to give Black-suited Spidey a reason to be angry but don't f#%k up his origin from part 1 in the process.
I disagree. Even if it did retroactively turn Uncle Ben's death into an accident rather than an intentional murder, it's still a result of Peter refusing to intervene in a situation he should have.
Just saw this movie (pretty late to the party) and we (my wife and I) liked it (the missus has a thing against Marvel's trope-y storytelling by this point so she was skeptical but still enjoyed it). The high school bits were far more entertaining than I thought, and I appreciated that the Queens, New York high school actually reflected what a true NYC high school really looks like, which is to say that it's all mixed up and multicultural (Queens ain't Smallville, let's put it that way). Hell, even when I went to high school in Brooklyn back in the 90's, it was really mixed up like that already. So all the "questionable" casting choices like Liz Allen and Flash Thompson didn't really bother me at all. Tom Holland and Michael Keaton were fantastic as Peter Parker/Spiderman and Adrian Toomes/The Vulture, respectively. The reveal with Spoiler Toomes' character was nice as I, like a lot of folks, was expecting Zendaya's Michelle character to be his daughter, and not Liz Allen. (Though if her last name is Allen, then why didn't she take Toomes' last name unless she was his stepdaughter and not his biological daughter, or did Liz take her mother's maiden name? Just found that part a little weird.) Loved all the little cameos like the two Shockers, Tinkerer, Scorpion, Prowler, and the Easter Egg with Miles Morales and his connection to Prowler, though it does make me a little mad that this version of Spider-Man really did end up appropriating/stealing almost all the elements of the Miles Morales Spider-Man, right down to Ganke as his best friend in all but name (Ned), which is especially galling what with all the anti-SJW trolls always raising a stink about minorities copying/"stealing" from the original white superhero's legacy when the torch is passed to a brand new (minority) iteration of the character (black Latino, in the case of Miles Morales). Anyway, Holland does an excellent job as a super awkward boy genius nerd in Peter Parker still trying to get his footing as Spider-Man (I liked that he didn't stick all his landings 100% of the time) and balancing his life between teen high schooler and new superhero, so I think of this as Spidey: Year One (since he had only received his powers and been Spidey 6 months before the events in Civil War, and then this movie taking place another 2-3 months after CW). Not only can he pass as a high school kid, but everything about his performance was earnest and awkward (in a good way) and great (especially the action bits; he definitely seems more deceptively athletic, ironically, than either Maguire or Garfield, and boy can he move; I guess the dance background and gymnastics training really helped). I much prefer this take on Peter over Garfield's hair-pile "too-cool-for-school" hipster millennial Peter, and Maguire's morose/mopey Peter. You can tell that Holland put in 110% for the role. Keaton's Vulture was relateable and his criminal motives were understandable. You can really feel that he holds a grudge against Stark and the Avengers. The car-at-the-prom scene was pretty chilling to me too in that calm, cold, creepy way that only Keaton can pull off. Though his character did kinda sorta come off as Osborn/Goblin with the flight tech Spoiler and the reveal that he's Liz's father , I enjoyed that he was the boss of a gang of criminals made up of other would-be supervillain henchmen and didn't get to where he was alone. I had to laugh at Ned/not-Ganke's antics ("I was looking at porn," though the kids sitting behind me in the theater asking their dad what that meant gave me even more lulz ), as well as how the movierunners poked fun of Spider-Man having to run along the ground like everyone else (who can't fly) when there are no trees or tall buildings around to web-sling. His having to hitch rides on trucks and cars makes a lot of sense too to get around. While some of the humor was good (Aunt May's reaction at the end ), other bits kinda fell flat to me like a lot of the fumbling around with Karen's suit tech stuff (the interrogation scene in particular didn't quite work for me), which felt more than a little forced. Tony Stark does make for a good (appealing to the genius/techy nerd side of Peter) yet bad (Tony being Tony) mentor for Spidey. I think they included Iron Man's involvement to just the right amount before it was too much (even if the damn trailers pretty much spoiled everything related to Tony), though Peter's over-reliance on Karen and the suit hindered his development more than it helped. My wife was particularly annoyed by this aspect of the movie, but as even Peter pointed out, when Tony does something he naturally has to over-do it to the point of ridiculousness. I'm not 100% happy (pun intended) with Happy Hogan's inclusion in this film but I'm glad that his dialogue was toned down compared to the past Iron Man stuff. I liked that the ending took place on the beaches of Coney Island, where I grew up during my high school and college years, so it was nice seeing Astroland Amusement Park as the backdrop for the climatic fight between Spidey and Vulture. I did find it kind of a dick move that not only did Peter ditch Liz at the Homecoming Dance but that Spider-Man Spoiler also ruined her life by being responsible for putting her father away to prison. At least Keaton's character was left alive, which was a pleasant surprise as it would've been such a waste of talent to kill him with Marvel's bad habit of one-and-done-ing their villains, and the end credit scene hinted at his possibly forming the Sinister Six in the inevitable sequel. Highly enjoyable movie and Tom Holland makes for the best Peter Parker and Spider-Man but some of the flaws I mentioned keep it from being a truly great film. The choice of the Ramones non-Spider-Man song at the end was a bit of a head-scratcher though Spoiler Captain America's PSA almost makes up for it with how troll-y it was. Well played, Marvel. Looking forward to Infinity War 1 and 2!
