Spartans use the same weapons as marines?

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  1. jestermon

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    Ok, so I'n into just Mega Bloks I had never realized spartans and such were such different sizes until a while ago when I had seen the Mcfarlane figures and read online.

    My question is how is it possible for a spartan with power armor with huge hands able to fire weapons made for much smaller human's hands?

    It's bothered me after watching the FUD, and obviously it would make more sense if they all had the same guns, yet the spartans could easily carry much larger weapons, does anyone know something fromt he game that explains it?
     
  2. Rexidus

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    Their hands aren't drastically bigger than a normal person's. Think of a basketball player or football player. Those are big dudes. But they still use normal equipment.

    Spartans do get some unique tools but their armor already costs a huge amount of money. Equipping them solely with uniquely designed weapons would add even more to that cost. It makes infinitely more practical sense to have Spartans use standard equipment.

    It's also the mandate of the Spartan III (and presumably IV as well) program to be cheaper so there's another reason not to have to design an arsenal of equipment for a tiny fraction of the armed forces.

    By the way, Master Chief and Jorge are Spartan II's. The rest of Noble Team are Spartan III's and of course, Halo 4 is full of Spartan IV's.
     
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    Shouldn't this be in the Halo thread?

    And no, they use the same equipment, including most of the armor.
     
  4. netkid

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    Geeze, you'd think with the fate of the Universe at stake, the cost to make items that could help save it would be pushed aside.
     
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    Why wouldn't they? Spartans need to be versatile and adapt. What if they had a special Spartan gun, then lost it? They'd be fucked if they couldn't use regular weaponry. And as said, they're not that much bigger.

    Their armour is most certainy not the same.

    Weapons that end up doing the same damn thing as every other one?

    Think of what would be practical. Some big, expensive, hard-to-weild gun that only very, very select few could use, or just using any old just-as-effective rifle or pistol that you can literally find anywhere?
     
  6. jestermon

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    I'm 6'8" so I know I'm can still use normal things, but some large people have the big sausage fingers and such.

    They would definately need a salad bar with a higher sneeze guard those things are a pain to navigate.

    It would have been odd if the had bulked up the rest of them but left them with tiny hands to use regular weapons ha.
     
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    Um, they practically did. Mjlonoireskioski (that got away from me) costs a hell of a lot of money. And 30 some suits of it were made.

    Also, what's more practical. 30 suits of armor and weapons that only 30 people can use or 1,000 suits of armor and weapons any soldier can use?

    Basically ONI thought the Spartan program was a huge success but cost WAY to much. The Spartan III's were designed from the ground up to be just as effective but a fraction the cost.
     
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    Fixed, Bro


    Anyhow, I think the UNSC had a bit more to worry about than making guns that were specially tailored for the SPARTANS, The SPARTAN Project was developed to take care of the Insurgents in outlying Colonies the UNSC had little to no control over. Not too long after the SPARTANS showed the universe just how good they were at sticking their boots up Insurgent asses, The Covenant arrived on the planet Harvest and turned a peaceful farm colony into an uninhabitable mass of slag.

    Now the Covenant, as it turns out, are much harder to kill than a bunch of rednecks with stolen weaponry. As a matter of fact, some of their more elite soldiers are as strong as, if not, Stronger than SPARTANS are. Doesn't help that there are more of them than there are SPARTANS.

    Between dealing with the Insurgents and dealing with the Covenant, I'm not surprised the UNSC didn't make any weapons tailored to any particular generation of SPARTAN soldier.
     
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    Which is funny because they kind of threw away that whole cost effectiveness of the Spartan III"s when they sent them all to their deaths on suicide missions. There were what 3 companies and of those some odd 800 or so Spartans (forgive me if that's larger then the actual number been quite some time since I read the novels) only what 15 or so still actually remain. That's not really all that practical. Yeah the originals cost as much as a darn fleet, but still they survived a heck of a lot of campaigns spread out throughout space against both insurgent and covenant forces. I think it was more politics, some of the Higher Ups felt the same as Ackerson and decided they could get the same result only "cheaper".

    As for the actual thread it makes much more sense just to give them regular standard issue weaponry. It's more cost effective, plus you can easily resupply rather then say special ordering parts/ammo.
     
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    There were 3 classes of Spartan IIIs. Alpha all died excluding the ones one kept for Noble team. Beta fared the same, only suvivors being Tom, Lucy, and the members of Noble. Gamma graduated in 2552 and were in service during Halo 3. So there are about 300 Spartan IIIs running around that in Halo 4 are something like 16 years old. They were probably folded into the Spartan IV project.

    IIIs were intended to be fire and forget weapons. Intended for suicidal missions even by Spartan standards. They weren't weapons to win the war, they were weapons to slow the enemy; to buy humanity time.
     
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    Well excluding all the stuff from Reach and Halo 4(ie Noble and Spartan IV's) since I honestly don't want to get into that. My basic point was that yeah they were meant to buy humanity time, not arguing that fact what I am saying though is they weren't cost effective. Which was one of the main reasons they were created. Make a super soldier to perform these suicide missions and slow the covenant onslaught while being cost effective. That really didn't happen because Spartan III class sizes grew progressively larger with each company. Alpha I think was 200-300, Beta was around the same and then Gamma was upped to I think 500 or so. If you add up all the time and resources utilized to train each company plus all their gear it adds up. In the short term yeah they may have saved, but by the end it probably ended up costing the same. That's a heck of a lot of resources to throw away for expendable soldiers. Especially when Spartan III's utilized stealth as one of their greatest assets. They could have been used for far more missions and still fulfilled the original parameters of their creation.
     
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    Gamma was 330 I believe.
     
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    The Spartan III's aren't supposed to be the ultimate shape of humanity's resolve and tactical thinking. They are a product of desperation. The suits up high wanted cheaper Spartans to throw at the enemy. They didn't want a solution, they wanted a short term delaying tactic. That's why most of them died and why, as the Spartan program goes through it's many variations, none are seen as successful compared to Master Chief and his Spartan II's. Rather than take the time and effort to craft a hammer to defend themselves, the number crunchers instead threw rocks.