Snyder's Justice League

Discussion in 'Movies and Television' started by Scourgatron, May 20, 2020.

  1. Dolza_Khyron

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    Well, it's good to know that DC's allergy to color, made it into Darkseid's design.
     
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    Every time I see an image or cover or comic or DC Collectible statue or whatever of Superman and/or the Justice League fistfighting Darkseid, it makes my heart sink.
     
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    i think the more interesting discussion will be what if it's better?

    i mean if it's worse no real harm no foul right? all that lobbying for the snyder cut and it still sucks? the scrapping of the DCEU can go on as planned no one cares right? justified let's say. but...if it's better than the whedon cut what then? all the soft reboots the actors walking away the fact they seem to be just starting over yet again? if it's better they torpedoed a franchise for nothing.

    and to your last point i'll answer same as above...now we're all going to see it. if it's great will some still say it's crap out of some sense of obligation?

    i feel the more damning thing is if it's better than what we got. at that point the question is why didn't we really get his version and why was this cinematic universe killed when there was a better movie all along?
     
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    Didn't they fight Darkseid in the Justice League cartoon?
     
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    Uh, unless I missed something Zack Snyder stood down after his daughter committed suicide and Joss Whedon was brought in to finish based on what they had left. You didn't get Snyder's vision the first time because the bottom fell out of his and his wife's world. Superman and friends punching CGI probably stopped being a priority in his life.
     
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    Now that is one scary looking mofo.
     
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    Your point?
    That's called spin. Just like all the politicians who walk away from their positions saying they want to focus on their family and don't mention they were about to be outed for something horrendous, or execs who release press announcements that they are leaving the company to chase new challenges rather than admit they were fired, which the company doesn't want to reveal because it could affect stockholder confidence or whatever.

    This kind of thing happens in Hollywood all the time. People are ousted from positions then encouraged to claim they left on their own for whatever reason. I'm not saying his daughter didn't die. But thinking that was the reason he left Justice League is naive.

    It will still suck. Guaranteed. But at least it will have more integrity. The powder puff nothingness of Whedon's Justice League, with the boosted colors and Elfman score were chickenshit moves from a panicked studio. WB rolled the dice with Snyder and crapped out. But trying to change the result after they blew the dice roll was bullshit.

    What Whedon did was like trying to make a purse out of pig shit. I'd rather just have the shit, to tell the truth. Either one is awful and useless, but at least the regular pig shit is honest. It's not pretending to be something it can never be.
     
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    Hmm that Darkseid looks a bit too simple and too close to the comics... That'd look a bit out of place considering how extensively Steppenwolf was redesigned.
    I only read the info on what the Snyder cut would have been like today. Seems it adds a ton of cameos of comic character, and reveals a recurring character (who was that army general in Man of Steel / Batman v Superman) to actually be Martian Manhunter.
    I dunno how I feel about all this. I think the theatrical version was right in not throwing Darkseid as a teaser at he end, it would have been too similar to what Avengers did with Thanos. I also agree with Momoa that his scenes that got cut did get revisited and explained in more detail in Aquaman's own movie.
    But I would welcome the less comedic tone and giving Batman more to do in the final battle.
    Interesting idea though that Steppenwolf's first attack in ancient times on Earth would have had a young Darkseid as Uxas. Would make sense, in the comics Steppenwolf is his uncle and served Darkseid's father before he gained the Omega Sanction.

    I also never knew Snyder left because his daughter killed herself... I assumed he was fired due to director/producer conflict.

    You gotta be more specific, there are several JL cartoons. And yes of course they did, in several of them.

    I agree with Sifu here. I mean I have been watching Star Trek for ages, and trust me I can both empathize with and hate Gul Dukat despite him looking like a reptilian cobra-man. I did not like that Avengers turned an imposing villain into just a big purple man. The second movie at least made him put the armor back. His tiny silly ears just made him... hard to take seriously. I don't want to see Darkseid's ears, ever. :D 
     
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    I'm not clear if its the Justice League/Superman vs Darkseid concept or the execution of said concept that you're unhappy with.
     
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    I'm unhappy that generations of creators now misunderstand and misuse the Fourth World characters and concepts. When you have the Justice League grappling with Darkseid in a physical confrontation, you've missed the point.
     
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    He´s a bad guy, bad guys get punched by the good guys. Please drop this pretensions nonsense.
     
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    Yeah, maybe try reading the original comics. Maybe you like your comfortable little brain dead world, but that doesn't mean the rest of us have to live in it with you.
     
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    "NOOOO!! THE JL CAN´T PUNCH DARKSEID. HE´S THE EMBODIMENT OF TYRANNY! HE TOO COMPLEX! NOOO!"

    "HAHA SUPERMAN´S FIST GO PUNCH!"
     
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    I liked both Man of Steel and Batman v Superman. And I am usually rather adamant about heroes not killing, but both Zod's death and the reason Batman kills are rather well built up in both movies. I watched the longer uncut versions, and certainly things make far more sense in the director's cut of Batman V Superman, where the scenes are in proper order and longer. I love Eisenberg's smarmy little internet mogul Luthor, and how you go AHHH when you realize he has been pulling the strings all along. Even so, I only realized Luthor's russian thug was Anatoly Kjeznev (the KG Beast) after looking at the credits.
    JL certainly suffers from the producers basically telling the director to make it less dark and more funny. And yeah, also from having to introduce these heroes all in one movie. Cyborg suffered the most as he basically had no personality apart from "grumpy and angry at dad", so I am curious to see what cut scenes he had.

    I think before these movies I thought little of Snyder. He felt like he is only good at taking other people's work and exactly recreating them in movie form, like he did with Watchmen and 300. Sucker Punch proved how terrible it is if he is left to his own devices. As I always say, to me a writer is more important than a director. A bad directing job with good plot and dialogue is still enjoyable, but nothing can save something that is badly written. I mean if Neil Breen suddenly in his humble selflessness decided to let an actually competent director do his movies, they would still be written by Neil Breen and be utter nonsense. They'd just be prettier looking utter nonsense. :D 

    I think you watched some very special THIRD cut of these movies, since in NONE of them is Superman resistant to helping people. Heck, his father dies while forbidding him to save him or risk exposing his identity to the world - while Clark clearly wants to help. Oh and then he dies while saving Metropolis from Doomsday. But I guess what you got out of this is that he feels humanity is beneath him. I guess you fell asleep during Jor El's words about how his son is meant to uplift humanity?

    People always went "but the Donner cut is great!" and so I finally went and checked a review of the changes some years ago.
    It still has the same dumb plot of Superman removing his powers. Because **** saving the world from disasters and supervillains, he wants to bang Lois. The scene where Clark gets beaten up by a truck driver, also there. It also has the dumb Luthor plot of him asking for Australia and generally being a small-time crook (I know, I have been spoiled by years of better comics and Superman TAS Luthors but I could never take this version of Luthor seriously, he is someone most versions of Superman would easily outwit in seconds).
    Oh and the Donner cut has an even dumber ending where Superman again rotates the Earth back so nothing in the movie ever happened, even. (facepalm)
     
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    Oh, wow, this must be that toxic fandom I keep hearing about. After all, you cannot criticize the film maker's vision or final product, no matter how much it may deviate from or conflict with the original material. "Fans" should definitely be ignored.

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    I think it already exists. It has that dumb dance scene they wisely cut and put in the credits in full right after the villain freezes the cops...

    Indeed. Even though it should have happened already...
    Yes Disney and JJ Abrams, I am looking at you. Do it while Ian McDarmid is still alive.
     
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    So weird cause it sounds nothing like crying about how Kathleen Kennedy was pushing her social agenda and hounding women off social media. Oh that’s right right in your world those things never happened. It was all fake news amiright. Of course I am.
     
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    Wheee, you're the embodiment of post-Crisis lack of imagination! Everything can be solved by punching! No creativity or originality needed! And so proud of yourself, too.
     
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    And the proper application of sufficiently powerful explosive ordnance.