Snyder's Justice League

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    Agree to disagree. I like him a lot prior to Infinity Gauntlet. The original Warlock Saga is fantastic, and Thanos is a major part of it.

    The funny thing is that Thanos being a Darkseid analogue is something he shifted to kind of after the fact. Starlin created him to be more of a Metron analogue.
     
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    I’ve read Starlin saying that but I don’t buy it. Let me get this straight, he openly admits to lifting the concept from Kirby’s New Gods, but he picks Metron but oopsie his Marvel big bad suspiciously ends being just like Darkseid.... go figure Jim Starlin, what... are... the... chances. Cough *** bullshit.
     
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    D-Roll, maybe. Blizzard's monster design repertoire is far more creative than that.

    Wow, that's even worse than the final movie design. How embarrassing. Okay, sure, evil Errol Flynn doesn't work in this context. But this is the best anybody could come up with? Generic horned demon-guy?
     
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    Maybe in retrospect they should have used Kalibak, at least that gives them a bestial design to start with.
     
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    That’s why he has the floating throne. That’s Metron’s shtick. Then someone told him if he was going to copy the New Gods he should copy Darkseid, so he did. Which is why Thanos resembles Darkseid so much in his initial appearance in Iron Man #55. Then after that he tweaked his design to make him more distinct.
     
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    Would've made more sense for how the character was used in the movie. I'm not particularly familiar with Steppenwolf, but his appearance in Superman: the Animated Series painted him as a hunter/trapper archetype instead. Which I imagine was far more accurate than the film's version.
     
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    Which makes me fear for what his Darkseid looks like. Not that I ever expected anything decent but still.
     
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    If he screws up the design, he'll just say the "real" Darkseid is out there somewhere. He did the same thing when people complained that Doomsday looked like the Cave Troll from The Lord of The Rings. This ignores the fact Doomsday fulfilled his narrative purpose of killing Superman, so what good is the "real" Doomsday now?
     
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    The chances are very high if you read his original appearances. Also, I'd say that character-wise, the similarities to Darkseid are thin at best until DC started to shift Darkseid away from what Kirby created him to be.

    I think that was pretty definitively summed up by BvS long before Justice League even went into pre-production.
     
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    Lets keep in mind regardless of what Darkseid looks here, that is likely not gonna be the look he gets to use in future films, given what is canon to the DCEU is the Whedon cut of JL, which didnt feature Darkseid, Snyder's JL is not canon to the DCEU, so a future director can use a brand new look for Darkseid in future canon DCEU films
     
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    You think there's still a DCEU? That's like when some people here post as if "Aligned" is still a thing. Sure, we're getting another WW stand alone movie and I guess another Aquaman stand alone movie, but hopefully Ezra 'Chokeslam' Miller's Flash movie is dead, DCEU Batman and Superman are gone, and I wouldn't expect any more crossovers in that continuity.
     
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    Yeah as long they do films in that universe, even if its standalone, even if they dont do another crossover, there is still a DCEU as long they keep doing films in that world. Yeah Ben and Herny are out of the picture, but that doesnt mean we cant see the DCEU versions of these characters with new actors, they can easily continue where they left off Superman with a new guy and maintain continuity with Henry's Superman.

    Now we can declare the DCEU dead once they reboot every single character.
     
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    Well you are right on the money there. I hate what they’ve done with the New Gods. Making Darkseid a Superman / JL big bad is a total waste of the characters. Of course making good decisions is not what DC does. It’s a shame really to watch something you love get mismanaged into oblivion.
     
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    I like how Steppenwolf looks in BvS, big and scary unlike what Marvel did with Thanos. At the end of Avengers he was scary and intimidating looking and even at Guardians, but then he morphed into a big purple dude that's looks too human and kind looking. Just stupid.
     
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    That was sort of the point of Thanos' redesign, though. He was supposed to look just human enough that the audience could actually empathize with him. He doffs his armour in Infinity War, so that his body language and microexpressions are more readable. He regains his imposing warlord look in Endgame when he's just the end-boss that needs to be defeated.

    Steppenwolf is just generic movie monster design #91834. There's nothing characterful about the design, and certainly nothing about him calls back to his comic persona. He's Steppenwolf in name only.
     
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    I think Snyder was thinking larger than life. You see BVS with Lex Luthor spouting biblical motifs, Superman being a Jesus, Batman a dreaded demonic figure, Doomsday blood of my blood... and completely missing the idea.

    The film described Steppenwolf as the end of worlds. But he and the New Gods were never really apocalyptic beings, just a new generation/race of beings who came to Earth. (The New Gods film is going to have to carry a lot.)

    But seriously, when New 52 brings the Justice League together to attack Darkseid on both their debut - following on from The Avengers - that's not going to make a good impression.


    Below is rumored to be how Darkseid will look.

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    I'm glad they kept him, shall we say, monolithic. He looks like a walking unstoppable block of granite.
     
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