Small theory on Stinger and.. Nemesis Prime?

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  1. Purple Heart

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    Before i go on, I'd like to note the fact that all Drift toys have a blue vehicle mode.. And Drift himself in the Trailer (Second Trailer, Background when Grimlock breathes Fire.) is entirely Blue.

    Which makes me think CGI May have been used since the budget didn't cover a custom Bugatti.

    Now, We have images of a new Kre-o set called Stinger Replicator Chamber that comes with...A Black MovieVerse Optimus Prime!


    Some speculate that Stinger is a clone of Bumblebee... I think he might be.. But upgraded maybe? As the first Trailer shows Stinger in his advanced form and Bumblebee in his HO form that is his Trilogy Body..

    So.. I'm lead to believe maybe Bumblebee is rebuilt in the style of Stinger?

    And maybe KSI does clone Optimus Prime, It makes sense.. They not only wanted to kill the most dnagerous Transformer, But have a controllable flone of him as your weapon? Thats one of the most amazing offers ever.



    This entire movie gives me a PRIME vibe in designs, And we know Bay sat down and watched Animated as he himself posted.. Could he also have watched Prime?

    Vehicons, New designs, Human created Transformers, Optimus's Sword. All things in Prime.

    So could we have a Nemesis Prime to go along with Galvatron?
    We've seen toys of Silver Knight optimus that show him with a Silver truck mode.. Could he have CGI pasted over the truck prop like Drift may?
    Could there also be a Nemesis Prime? Maybe later on in he movie as a big reveal or post-credits scene?


    P.S I'm a scatterbrain, So thats why my posts are spaced out so much.
     

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    Cool theory! I like the idea of an after credits scene with Nemesis Prime! Perhaps if Galvatron is in some sort of connection with Sentinel and Megatron and gains his own conscience maybe they could be the duo of the next movies, like Megatron and Starscream! Only Nemesis wouldn't be so cowardice like Starscream...
     
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    I noticed this too, and although the toy seems to certainly show that your theory is the case, I think Galvatron is already filling the role that Nemesis is intended for i.e. a human created robot designed to be an equal to Optimus... as well as being a black/grey semi-truck.

    I'ts possible that as with the rest of kreo, they have some creative license, and the Nemesis Prime is just a kreo only feature.


    In response to your first point, I believe that it has been mentioned that the actual Drift Bugatti prop is in face a super dark shade of blue, so although the CG art will bring out the colour more, the toys aren't entirely inaccurate. The colour does seem to match the CG model from the Rise of the Dark Spark game.
     
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    he better not be basing this film on Prime!
     
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    I have to ask, when you talk about Drift being CGIed, are you saying you think the Drift car in the movie will be CGIed all blue to match his toys and because in robot mode in the movie, we see him in all blue? If that's what you mean, the real car is all blue anyway so no CGI-OMG of the color needs to happen. The real Bugattiin car used is a two tone blue. It's a midnight blue trimed in the light blue. The midnight blue is so deep that it looks black when not in bright light.
     
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    I know!

    I do think Galvs is the big bad too, And It's my personal belief that he will become possessed by Unicron if the movies go that route.. Seeing as how we Know Lockdown wants Optimus, We could believe that It's for the Matrix.
    And it if Lockdown bites it and Galvatron is possessed, Nemesis Prime could be the Humans factor..

    It already seems like the Humans make Galvatron and Stinger ally with the Autobots to defeat Lockdown.. But we just don't know...


    My money is on Galvatron being possessed, And Nemesis Prime in TF5.

    Heh, Could just be Kre-o Flexing their options though!
     
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    ... I'm a little colorblind...

    BUUTT Drift's deluxe toy's Alt Mode is a very prominant blue...
    And due to the Transformation he could he extremely color accurate in both robot mode and car mode..
    Plus, Do you remember Rampage from ROTF? His colors we're changed very late into the came.. Maybe Bay changed his mind after he got the prop, But early enough for Hasbro to fix?
     
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    Check out these pictures, you can see the blue more clearly with the stronger light.
     

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    Yeah I wouldn't read too much into the colours on the figures.

    As for the black Optimus Kreon, it could represent something from the movie, it could, as ArmadaSentinel says, just be a bit of creative licence, which isn't beyond the realms of possibility within Kre-o. The 'Cellblock Breakout' set has Optimus in his Evasion Mode, but we know from the trailer that he gets captured in his new form, so while they're based on moments from the movie, I don;t think they're to be taken absolutely literally.
     
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    Still begs the question.....why the black optimus!?? Even if hes not in that scene seems strange. After all was it in the cinemacon description that attinger had rusted optimus hooked up to machines being studied??? Not sure how accurate in being but if i am right then possibly this is maybe a little more than a coincidence.....maybe?
     
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    I think an all-CGI Nemesis Prime is definitely a possibility. Seems like another thing that Bay would want to keep under wraps. The first thing that made me think of that was the Takara Tomy listing with an Optimus Prime silhouette titled "Decepticon A."
     
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    I don't remember any descriptionof the Cinemacon footage saying anything about Attinger having a captive rusted truck OP hooked up to any machine? Did I miss something?
     
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    Does anyone remember when I had brought up and asked why it was the rusted OP truck was seen on set at the Chicago Silos that we now know is used as the factory in the movie? By that point in the movie, we know OP is in his new mode. So what if there is a OP clone that is later seen using that same rusted truck mode?
     
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    I am sure there will be no Nemesis Prime.
     
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    I suppose Nemesis Prime could be in the movie as the 'boss battle' for the humans - essentially being the robot for Harold Attinger to command.

    If Nemesis Prime is in the movie (And I doubt it given the lack of toys) then its probably only for a small battle scene - maybe set-up for another film.

    Though the lack of black repaints does have me wondering this time around if they are indeed setting up for Nemesis Prime to appear in TF4 or TF5...

    Theirs always the possibility that he upgrades at the Silo and that the Chicago Silo scene battle could occur before he is captured by Lockdown.
     
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    Ah...that certainly makes sense. Except...I wonder why and how the humans have the rusted truck and what do they do with it. I guess maybe they find the actual truck that Prime scanned, and also reverse-engineered Cybertronian scanning technology. Maybe they use that truck because they know an exact copy of Prime's body could successfully configure into it.
     
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    Dr Arkevilles Nemesis?
     
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    that silo used in Chicago is meant to be in China in the movie. Galvatron factory battle wink wink. So there is no way OP goes through the whole movie till the last act and then upgrades to his new truck. Besides all the scenes we see OP in the new truck form come before the factory scene.
     
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    What of the trailers lied to us, What if Optimus uses his Evasion Modd body when he's captured and they just threw in his ne body to show it off... Since that was the only moment we saw it in the first few trailers...



    Lol, NOPE.
     
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    Ok, different theory then :p 

    What if he visits the same location twice? Maybe he was in China ages ago and we see the battle that caused him to be in the state we see him in - explaining that the Autobots were hunted? It could also explain how Optimus knows the location of the factory for the final battle and it could be used to explain the fallout between the Autobots and Humans - or as a method of showing us Galvatron and how the humans forced Prime to retreat and got the design specs for Bumblebee.

    Such as this;
    - Optimus and the Autobots are in China after DOTM
    - They believe they have a new factory facility/base to replace the one they lost when Sentinel attacked, however they are attacked as KSI set a trap on them via using their new robot, Galvatron
    - The Autobots separate fleeing desperately
    - Ratchet is killed in the ensuing battle with KSI military
    - Optimus is badly injured by Galvatron and forced to flee scanning his 'evasion mode' form
    (Which looks new at this point; http://www.thechosenprime.com/assets/images/takara age of extinction/ad-02 1.jpg)
    - Cut to 4 years later at the Yaeger Farm
    - Optimus is discovered in the olden version of the 'evasion mode' form