ROTF script vs unused Transformers 2 treatment

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  1. TFFan01

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    Jesus Christ, I will lose all faith in humanity if the reboot doesn’t take any cues from that treatment. I don’t know if anyone else shares the sentiment, but that would have been the best live-action transformers movie ever.
     
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    Just finished reading the script... And that was just fantastic. This is a lot better than what we got. I couldn't take my eyes of it. I found it really interesting!
     
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    Damn, I forgot about that treatment. Vegas, Mikaela, Simmons... pretty wild throwback. Too much focus on the robots to ever actually happen, though.
     
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    I mean it's okay I suppose. I've seen much worse ideas, that's for sure.

    That said, it doesn't strike me as something truly great either. The Starscream-Megatron rivalry seems nice. Other than that though, a Las Vegas battle seems like Mission City 2.0. At least RotF switched up the scenery somewhat by having a battle in Egypt, geographical errors and all.

    It could have been better on screen...or it could have been worse. :/ The grass isn't greener on the other side.
     
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    Scale back the opening and climactic battles to DOTM levels, and yeah, that should have been TF2.

    Hell, for lack of any movement on a new movie at present, put IDW on this. If Titan could get away with a whole alternate timeline, IDW (especially after having just printed a movie prequel that now doesn't even line up with the movie it was promoting) may as well have a shot at these babies...
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    I hate to ask this but could someone summarize what's in the unused treatment? For some reason it won't come up on my computer.
     
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    I remember that.
    I remember how members of the fandom declared it ‘fake’ and too fan-fic-y.

    I didn’t know that Nelson confirmed it’s authenticity. Ha ha ha ha ha!
     
  9. ObakaChanTachi

    ObakaChanTachi Why not?

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    Well it ain't perfect but on the bright side it has none of the shit that made ROTF so bad. No Twins, no Fallen, no Alice, no Leo, no enemy's scrotum, and more Soundwave action.

    1. It opens with Starscream and Soundwave fighting for Decepticon leadership. Soundwave wins and goes to Earth to revive Megatron. With that in mind The Fallen is absent from this script.
    2. Sam goes to NYU instead of Princeton and instead of Leo we get an Asian named Shige. His personality and interactions with Sam aren't any different from the former. No Alice and none of that stupid infidelity sub-conflict.
    3. The quest to retrieve the AllSpark shard that revives Megatron isn't mentioned, which probably means Ravage, Reedman, etc. aren't in the script. Soundwave revives Megatron through... sound :sly2:  because sound can resurrect dead Transformers. Eh. Oh, and he was a priest on Cybertron. Eh.
    4. Hot Rod, a rogue spy appears. Nothing like Ze French Lamborghini of TLK nor the G1 version of the character. He leaks info regarding a Starscream attack to Optimus. He is assigned to protect Mikaela.
    5. Instead of the frat party, we get a drag race.
    6. Simmons runs a casino instead of his mom's deli. His role isn't as big as in ROTF.
    7. The big crazy shit - Las Vegas is powered by AllSpark energy harvested by Sector Seven, this information was revealed by a descendent of a First Seven of Sector Seven. Both Megatron and Starscream are gonna attack Vegas.
    8. A Megatron-loyalist Decepticon attacks Sam and Shige's dorm in attempt to find him. Unlike in ROTF with Alice, both had already left. The damage is also greater, akin to the Protoform invasion since there is a TV news broadcast of it.
    9. The sound-resurection by Soundwave is unstable, Megatron wants the Matrix so he can be independent from him.
    10. There are Magnus and Devastator who come out of nowhere.
    11. Megatron does not fight initially.
    12. There is an EMP tower designed to destroy every electronic, Transformer included within the battlefield. The human protagonists chase after it while Prime, Magnus, and Hot Rod protect them. Seeing the humans approach the tower, Megatron goes down to stop them himself. Mikaela nearly dies. The EMP fails to detonate. Soundwave tackles Prime so Megatron can pry the Matrix from him.
    13. Megatron and Starscream fight with armies of loyalists to each respective faction nonetheless. Both leaders die.
     
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    That's the other thing - Magnus and Devastator should probably have been foreshadowed during the opening scene on Cybertron (since Hot Rod's already there too) so that it doesn't feel like they're being thrown in halfway through just for the hell of it.
     
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    Chances are, they probably would've been had this draft been expanded.
     
  12. ObakaChanTachi

    ObakaChanTachi Why not?

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    On second thought the script sounds really fan-fic-y. There's way too much robot screentime for such a script to be economically viable.

    Unless... IDK, suitmation or animated?
     
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    Give it a bigger budget and a better director
     
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    It's quite a decent plot, but this:
    Immediately reminded me of this :lol 
     
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    Could it have been worse? Really? :lol  is there any air below the bar ROTF set!!?!
     
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    Credit where credit is due with ROTF that they attempted to do something different. Different locales for the battles, a lot of variations in the robot designs, a more mystical approach to the mythology.. not all of it worked, for sure, but at least they tried.

    There's a lot to like in this unused treatment, and some things to be concerned about (though quite a few are likely just the result of this being a treatment and not a full plot / script). The expanded roles for the major Decepticons are great, and Sam and Mikaela have more compelling character arcs than what we got. The cliffhanger ending is really cool as well. That said, the Autobots seem to have very little agency in this script - Optimus doesn't seem to do much of anything until the final act, Ultra Magnus and Hot Rod are fine additions but don't seem particularly well integrated into the story, and it's still a battle in a city over an energy-producing Macguffin. But the writer here clearly GETS Transformers...
     
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    I remembered this treatment the moment I started reading it. Still can't believe it wasn't used; it would have been a hundred times better than what we got with Revenge of the Fallen.
     
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    People aren't taking into account that whatever this treatment contains, Bay would have still directed and Paramount would have still produced. Which means it would have been rushed in before the writers strike and all sorts of nonsensical bullshit would have been added I'm sure.
     
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    oh, so that's what those concepts were going to be used for. man, soundwave n hot rod are great updates. magnus... not so much, but the spirit is there. devastator is great, but not particularly devastator-y. that also explains wtf is going on in that carrier art, since i could never tell.

    a pretty good treatment n i like a lot of the ideas like the decepticons upgrading themselves to resist the humans' primary weapons against them, mikaela getting her whole thing... but soundwave as 'high priest' is a little weird, admittedly. probly less weird if he had the final rotf design, honestly, since the movie decepticons all looking fuckin weird makes their culture being weird make more sense
     
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    It could have been a lot worse, actually. RotF is at the very least, by in-universe standards, a logical sequel to the 2007 film. It's heavily rooted in the previous film.

    Plus, imagine if it looked and sounded like this:


    THAT would have been much worse!
     
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