Those movies keep making money due to the 10 years of marvel movies built up before hand. Most of those 20 movies had great writing and built an interconnected universe that made general audiences go "I wonder what's next". Transformers atm does not have that, with what came before being controversial and still fresh in people's minds. Unlike marvel which has a "must watch to understand the next movie" mentality keeping people invested, Transformers desperately needs good writing, vfx, characters, etc. It has to do a lot more to get the box office numbers needed than marvel films do. Also With marvel's CGI, its a different situation. With most of the stories being about humans and real actors, the story and writing matter way more than the VFX ever will. Meanwhile, with transformers, the VFX are the characters. So more attention has to put on it along side the writing.
Most of the MCU has been mid at best with only a couple of their movies being good and the lack in quality has started to show a lot, especially with the shows and recent movies. Also Marvel uses CG for even the smallest thing that can simply be done using practical effects. ROTB breakeven number at the box will depend on what the total budget will be (production + marketing). This isn't like Avatar 2 where the movie had to make like 1-1.5 billion to be considered successful. If ROTB worldwide box office totals will be in the profit zone it will be taken as a success by Paramount. From the trailer the movie doesn't strike me as something that cost 200 milion just to make (could be wrong but we will know the closer we get to its release). Plus we still had 4 TF movies that made profit and only 1 that tanked (and yes I know TLK bombing was pretty bad for the studio) Its been like 4 years between Bumblebee and ROTB and 5 years between TLK and ROTB. Whatever bad taste it leaft to many people and fans most have forgoten about it by now. This is also coming from a Bayverse fan that did not like TLK and could barely sit through a rewatch of it compared to the other movies, I have moved on from it and look forward to ROTB.
Given the large budget of $200M+ and massive marketing push they’re doing, I’m betting it’s closer to TLK numbers in terms of budget. And if that’s the case, they’ll need quite a lot of money to break even. TLK made $600 million at the box office and still lost $100 million. So the movie will definitely need to perform very well in order to count as a success this time around.
We don't really have actuals for the production budget (unless we take the one on the wikipedia page as facts). But like I said we will find out what the actual budget is when we get closer to release. TLK production budget was around 217-260 milion, that's like 400 milion when adding marketing costs so yeah it needed to make quite a bit of money, atleast 700 milion to breakeven. I still believe ROTB will do well and the movie will be received possitively
Thats not gonna sell the movie at all, the only once complaining about the CGI as much is us (TF fans). I agree that the CGI will definitely improve. Not as good as TF1-3 or most of BB but will be better. But on the Marvel side the reason they still make money is not the VFX it's due to both the trust from 20 years worth of story and taking their time but also having it mostly be character and story first, not big action spectacle first. Which is now the selling point of a film nowadays, not just big spectacle.
Bumblebee rebuilt trust into the movie franchise. How much? I don't know. That and the fact we haven't been glutted with an annual TF movie release makes me feel general audiences are more receptive to a new and exciting TF movie. We'll see. I don't know why but I'm actually looking forward to this despite not at all invested in any movie figures (ever). I'm optimistic about the success of this one.
Could be a reason why people might be more open to a new TF movie. TLK bombing certainly changed that, otherwise I feel we might have got a TF movie every year which would have caused even more fatigue depending on the quality of said movie.
Paramount doesn’t have money to waste money on “fake” marvel style shots. also the drive in scene from dominion with T rex was a cut scene which was restored on the bluray
I do think what's going to help ROTB is how it's pushing on it's focus on the Maximals and what we know of the Predacons in it's marketing and such. I mean however one feels on how it's going about it, there's no denying that it's getting a lot of people outside of the fanbase to remember/discover for the first time the Beast Era which is arguably one of the biggest TF medias out there other then G1 and the movies. Not to mention with how 90's nostalgia will become a thing soon like what Protoman says in his ROTB podcasts often what better to way to help start that by finally bringing in one of the best 90's shows up on the big screen? Whatever it works out in the end or not we're gonna have to see but either way this is a pretty big way to expand more of the TF mythos for outside people that isn't just regulated to G1 and the live actions films which isn't a bad thing.
Forgive me if someone posted this on TFW already but this slightly longer look at Mirage was posted on the ROTB Tik Tok like a week ago we're about to be in our prime #Transformers #RiseOfTheBeasts | TikTok
Sucks I can’t watch this because I don’t want spyware in my phone. I really wish people didn’t always upload to tiktok or instagram.
Okay apparently the superbowl tv spot for the new Scream movie has shown up online and its a minute long. Now, it\'s got me thinking. Do you think we might get the ROTB spot early before the game on Sunday?
Very possible since that was Paramount, I hope if Scream had a minute long spot, ROTB (a bigger budget film) does also.
