Pretty much. Bad enough that it’s causing the end of the DCEU after the 2023 Linup and it was just announced Henry Cavill isn’t coming back as Superman.

 

Yeah thats big huh. Probably for the best though. I just hope The Batman can still get a full trilogy out, in a vacuum from the DCEU reboot. Sorry, off topic thoughts!xD

 

Exactly lol

 

It is a rather unfortunate reality, but with this many new characters being thrown in, some were bound to get sidelined. I guess if it has to be Rhinox, they might as well make him a more strong silent type. Would be rather bizarre if he’s not the one to upgrade and revive Bee though. Wheeljack can certainly do medic stuff I guess but it feels like he’d be reserved more for weapon and gadget designs.

 

Thanks for the optimism.... I needed that!!

 

Im not sure how Black Adam is relevant here but.. yeah the trailers for that movie were average at best and when it released? Sure, critics didn’t like it but the general audience did. It’s quite entertaining despite having plot issues and cringe acting scenes. It’s got some damn good action that carried the movie hard.

 

With Endgame, I think that was because the leaked ending involved a lot more of Captain Marvel, who was an... 'unpopular' character for a variety of reasons, and in the final film she really doesn't do a whole lot of anything such that her presence is kind of unnecessary. The original leaked ending, as I vaguely recall, has her simply defeat Thanos instead of having the stones turned against him by Iron Man.

And the movie would have to make a 100% clean break from the Bayverse in order for me to even entertain considering it anything other than trash at this point. The reveal of Wheeljack being Steve Urkeltron completely killed any faith I had that the people in charge actually would stick to the cleaner designs of Bumblebee, Scourge really doesn't work as a lead villain because that design is hilariously boring for a 'horror villain' as described by Caple and his whole 'emblem collecting' trait is literally just the same shit Lockdown does with trophies, and the confirmation of the existence of the Transwarp Keys, if nothing else, proves we're right back to the same goddamn bullshit of the Bay films where it was constantly all about those stupid alien relic plot mcguffins that just HAPPEN to be on Earth.

The only thing the movie has on offer is action, which while nice for a brainless popcorn flick, is something that can't really support a film these days. Spiderverse is going to murder ROTB at the box office anyway.

It's not so much hating the movie as it is the fact every detrimental thing about the film is in fact entirely predictable because of the people who are making it. I'm still convinced that Lorenzo got Knight removed from even being considered to be involved in the sequel in any way (and Knight's comments after this supposed 'break' with Paramount certainly point to him not wanting to have anything to do with a film he previously said he had a lot of ideas for and would have loved to be involved with), replacing him with the greenhorn director Caple who is basically a yes man for Lorenzo and thus won't stand in the way of his meddling.

And we've seen Lorenzo level meddling with Snake Eyes. The new Wheeljack design just screams of that bastard's involvement since there literally is no reason to take an existing character complete with a design and just...turn them into Steve Urkel, which is in line with the leaks about how he's just the comic relief (with...ugh...sex jokes about a relationship he may have had with Arcee.)

Plus, Lorenzo in the post-TLK interview (a week after the film's disastrous release) where he says Quintessa is a 6 million year old human and that humans built the Transformers, he flat out says he doesn't get the whole Beast Wars thing about organic animals turning into robots. Except five years later he's still an executive producer making a film which has those very same kind of robots. Small wonder the film is titled 'Rise of the Beasts' yet the Predacons barely even seem to exist whatsoever and the Maximals only seem to be around for exposition.

 

Yeah, like I said this film unfortunately has a lot working against it. I’m just trying to be optimistic though.

 

I can admire optimism, but sometimes it's best to be realitic.

There is a reason hope was at the bottom of Pandora's Box along with the rest of that other bad stuff.

 

One thing you might want to consider is easing back on the "You'll all be there opening day" and "it'll end up being great and you'll all end up eating crow" posts. It's good to be hopeful and optimistic about stuff (I'd really like this film to exceed the low expectations I have for it right now), but stuff like that makes others feel like you're fishing for vindication or disrespecting how they're feeling right now.

 

Yeah, you’re right. I just really want this film to be good. I’m tired of the brand being disrespected and not given the love and care it needs. Sometimes I wish Paramount could lose the license for making TF films. I’d love for some other studio to give it a shot someday.

 

You and a lot of other people would like to see Paramount lose the license.

However, in order to do that, Paramount has to show they are a bad bet for Hasbro.

And to that end, the only way a new studio could get a shot is if ROTB is a disaster on par with, if not exceeding, TLK.

 

Yup, but honestly I don’t see ROTB being another box office failure. Even if the film is bad and has poor word of mouth, I think it’ll at least turn a decent profit. All the Bay films were horribly reviewed yet still made bank (except TLK and AOE kinda).

 

Just a a bit of fairness to ROTB that maybe this quote is helped by being less a fan of Spidey and being less concerned that the same production team can make the next Morbius. (Plus you might want to look into writer David Callaham if you notice any misses for you)

 

With everything else, respect is earned. Like, as financially successful as the films have been at their peak, as many fans as they made, the films have got the reputation they have because of the decisions made / their final product. They might not get their full due because the bad parts of that reputation tend to overshadow the good (I think Bumblebee really suffered due to this), but I can't say that reputation is off base.

Maybe one day we will see another studio making Transformers films, but for now it looks like Hasbro and Paramount are in it for the long haul. There's still stuff like Earthspark and the upcoming game, if folks are looking for a different 'take' on things, however.

Problem is, it can't just make bank anymore, it has to be a smash hit to matter, with the money put into it. All tentpole films are like this nowadays, and it really amps up the pressure. I hope its a good film and performs well accordingly, but its not coming into the same momentum other TF films had due to Bumblebee's more modest success with general audiences, and we're still seeing the movie industry struggle in general.

Horrible reviews might not be a death sentence, but I sincerely think AOE and TLK showed that the audience was already getting bored with the product they were receiving (even if they weren't swayed by reviews), so what looks to be more of a return to that form after Bumblebee might be something of a gamble.

 

I really wanted this film to be good too. I was more optimistic before the trailer. After the trailer and seeing that screening leaks are becoming true, I'm expecting the film to be not very good. The film is taking the wrong direction altogether. Small improvements they'll make from the test screening feedback won't change the fact that they're introducing Unicron, having those transwarp key macgaffins, and including Beasts Wars into the mix. This doesn't seem like a logical step after where Bumblebee left off. There's way too much going on.

 

These leaks have not been pleasant to read. Getting very similar vibes from this that I did during the lead-in to Rise of Skywalker - after an initial trailer that was, while nothing spectacularly promising, pretty good and felt full of interesting potential that left me feeling optimistic, then the leaks and plot details that kept coming out sounded worse and worse, and as time went on more and more leaks were confirmed, and by the time the movie came out I was pretty much resigned to it being trash... and I was not surprised.

At best, I might get some nostalgia from just seeing a bad Transformers movie in theaters again.

 

This all stems from Lorenzo wanting to up the “Bayhem” smh. You could’ve easily still had a small scale film with lots of action. But I guess no one told him that.

 

Well you know that we can all just... Uhm... Not support this movie.

Won't make us, like, traitors to the fandom or anything.

 

anyone got set pics of the bus that might be a Decepticon?