it will probably have spectacle but fall short in terms of story.

BBM is like, a 7/10 by normal movie standards. and its the best live action movie. i cant imagine this will be more than a 5 or 6/10.

 

I feel like this is how they are going to open up the movie. They first take us back like 65 million years ago during beast wars and show the maximal and predicon battles and then after years of fighting the maximals finally won and destroyed all the predicons except the freezer army (if they are an army) so then they just decided to kick back and relax on Earth until the autobots and terrorcons arrived then they got up and take action. I feel like they did this so everybody during the movie is not like "Oh, wheres Megatron? Oh, where is Waspinator. I want to see predicons. Bad movie 0/10" cause people were kinda like that during the bayverse movies.

 

They probably don't want to give anything away. I mean remember how quiet hasbro was about the movie, probably keeping the movie from spoilers and stuff to get the best experience cause marvel just told everyone "hey remember Bully Magiure and Wearwolf spider man? Well we're putting them in the no way home movie too".

 

That doesn't line up with what's going on now with things like Freezer just outright being put up for Pre-Order.

 

Just guessing

 

What's funny is with that score it would still be the second or third best TF movie out of seven.

 

It's funny too cause when the trailer first dropped I really did not like it at all. But over time it grew on me more and more and next thing I know I'm on these boards being really positive towards the film lol

 

This movie is going to nuke and divide the fanbase hard

it already has with character designs, plot leaks, and rather it’s bayverse or beeverse

I don’t have many expectations beside the forums being a mess on release  

The movie could be good but I’m doubtful considering their track record of mediocre or bad movies  

 

That's because Hasbro doesn't know what direction to take. BB film had g1 and bayverse designs. The studios want to keep part of Bayverse elements loosely in the films.

 

How will we tell the difference between this time and when half the other films came out?

 

Honestly I feel like there will never be a TF film that will unite the fandom. Bumblebee came close but even then there are tons of fans that didn't like it for various reasons. Reminds me a lot of the Star Wars fandom. No matter what Disney does, there will be fans that hate the direction they go in. Whatever your idea is for the "perfect" transformers movie, there are bound to be those that would look at that idea and throw up. It certainly doesn't help that Paramount themselves are not real fans of the brand, but whatever TF movies they make, fans will never universally love them. This site is destined to be eternal arguments.

 

The forum got noticeably worse in the build-up and fallout from the first Bay movie and I don't think it's ever really recovered, some say it's better now then it was when the Bay movies 'began' but that either means it was REALLY bad back then or they're simply mistaken about how it is now.

If the first Bay movie didn't alienate the already present fanbase so hard from the get-go I doubt this would be as much of an issue.

What I'm saying is if the first movie we got was closer to Bumblebee then so much of this nonsense could've been avoided altogether. I'm sure there'd still be things to disagree on, but at least we wouldn't be stuck with a segment of fans who just want Transformers as a brand to be CGI nonsense with no substance.

I don't really care for this topic because I don't wish to alienate or target anyone for their preferences but I feel like it's a big, agitated elephant in the room that isn't often addressed because certain folks get extremely vitriolic. We'll gladly talk about 'trukk not munkky' and how awful the so-called geewunners are but it's seen as somehow over the line to mention that maybe TF going mainstream in such a fashion may not have been as a purely good thing as some people like to make it sound.

 

Bay made transformers a household name but unfortunately directly contributed to the brand name being spoiled and people only seeing the movies as loud cg garbage, akin to the Fast & Furious franchise. Also, what qualifies as OG fans? Do you mean G1 fans? Cause if TF1 was G1 inspired, you'd still have a lot of fans upset that they're not trying something new. Hell, we're seeing that now with the designs from ROTB. I've seen many people online voice their dislike for the "old school" designs and want more Bay styled "realistic" designs.

 

The best way to handle all this honestly would have been to go with what fan theories/speculation were suggesting:

Opening: Unicron has risen, destroying Earth & Cybertron and capturing/enslaving Optimus to join his minions. A colony of Autobots, called Maximals, on a distant planet tried to escape Unicron devouring their planet via going through a wormhole. This dropped them off in ancient Earth altering the original timeline (Bayverse) resulting in a branched timeline (Beeverse). The Maximals then disguised themselves as animals and became intwined in Earth history.

Present Day: Unicron was unable to follow them through the wormhole as it closed, but has been trying to find a way to travel to this Earth as he's already devoured most the universe he resides in. Unicron manages to use his power to open a wormhole to sends Scourge (Optimus), Battletrap and Nightbird to the new timeline to establish a Transwarp Bridge capable of allowing Unicron to travel through to our timeline. Scourge kills Bumblebee, however Optimus is saved by one of the Maximals and taken to see Optimus Primal. Meanwhile Scourge gets an idea and decides to bring back some of the Maximals greatest enemies - The Predacons, resulting in Terrorsaur (Parallel to Airazor), Scorponok and Dinobot being revived. We'd see hints towards other Beast Wars Predacons such as an unknown Spider, Inferno and a very busted up Waspinator along with hints towards others. Beast Wars Megatron is shown in robot mode in stasis but Dinobot justifies not reviving him as him being a 'weak leader'.

Scourge manages to set-up the Transwarp Bridge and we see hints of Unicron on the other side as he sends forward an army of Sweeps. Luckily only a few of them get through before the Transwarp Bridge is destroyed. After the Terrorcons are defeated by the combined forces of the Autobots and Maximals, Dinobot decides to join the Maximals after being bested in combat by Rhinox as he values strength. Unicron readies his next minion to send, the revived Decepticon leader: Galvatron. In a post-credit scene you'd have a barely alive Scorponok releasing Megatron who'd crush Scorponok, transforming and roaring at the camera in his T-Rex mode.

The Terrocons and villains would have the Bayverse asthetic while the heroic characters would have the Beeverse asthetic. It'd also justify why the Maximals are a bit of a mixture of the two. This would also turn the final fight from Optimus Primal & Beeverse Optimus Prime Vs Scourge to Optimus Primal & Beeverse Optimus Prime Vs Bayverse Optimus Prime. It acknowledges the Bayverse continuity so people who watched the Bayverse don't feel their time was wasted while also establishing a connecting to the Beeverse and providing a plot twist. It also establishes Unicron as the primary threat for the trilogy and makes the 'Rise Of The Beasts' title more appropriate as it teases Megatron and the remaining Predacons in the sequel.

 

But that's the thing: The movies didn't save the IP because it didn't need saving at the time. The whole 'Bay saved us' thing is a major cope crafted BY fans of the films in question. It wasn't in a dire situation at the time like it was when Beast Wars was a thing: it simply existed in a comfortable niche.

What I mean by "OG" fans are the people who were there before the movies were a thing, not just fans of G1. The people who were at the time fresh off Galaxy Force / Cybertron.

With all due respect I'm sure a lot of those whinging about 'old school' designs were young kids at the time the Bay movies were a thing and are simply unable to look at the situation without their rose-tinted goggles. It's a nostalgia thing and not much more. The way Bay did it is the best and any other way isn't 'realistic' enough. If we had gotten less overly complex / messy designs that cared more about representing these characters instead of dazzling them with the fancy CGI this wouldn't even be a discussion.

 

It used to be a whole lot worse, honestly. The reason it got better is because, well, a lot of those people aren't around on TFW anymore and not of their own choice to simply not log in anymore if you catch my drift.

I also don't think it's possible for the schism that happened in the wake of the first movie to be truly overcome until we finally, definitively have an end to the Bayverse.

We just had this discussion earlier in the thread but Bavyerse did NOT. SAVE. TRANSFORMERS. Because Transformers DID NOT NEED SAVING. The only reason people seem to believe this is because they didn't seem to be aware of Transformers before the films. Funny how the only people who say the franchise needed saving are those who got into the franchise after 2007. Speaking as somebody who was around the target age for Transformers in the early 2000s, Transformers was doing fucking baller. Armada was kick-ass (rough start but it got better as it went along) with the mini-con play pattern integration and then UNICRON finally got a figure, the first commemorative G1 re-issues were out, Alternators were a thing, and generally it was a good time if you were a fan of Transformers. And as much as people say Energon sucked, that only really applies to the terrible western dub of the cartoon and some of the autobots. And cybertron had good, solid, chunky toys that had heft and weight to them that you really just don't get anymore, along with of course a Primus/Cybertron figure.

Indeed, if Transformers hadn't been doing well, then why would anybody think there was material there to make a movie off of in the first place? The first treatments for what would become the 2007 film had to have been prepared during the time of Energon.

 

Actually, you're right. I'm not sure why I said "saved". Cause yeah, it wasn't like the franchise was dying or anything. I think a better way to put it is that Bay simply helped make the franchise way more popular, rather than "saving" it.

 

Speaking for myself, at least, I *was* a Unicron Trilogy kid (I was alive for Beast Wars but just missed it age wise), and the live action movies are what cemented me being a Transformers fan for life rather than something I enjoyed as a kid and grew out of post-Cybertron.

 

Correct. See my reply to @Novaburnhilde above^

 

If they upped the saturation of the movie like this gif it would probably look a lot better to me.