Ratchet and other transformers may not be dead .....

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  1. buickanddeere

    buickanddeere Well-Known Member

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    It was clear in the movie that Lockdown transplanted Ratchet's Spark into his forearm. Instead of the spark chamber being smashed and the spark being scattered/lost/dispersed.
    Lockdown in every instance of the chest shots he fired and the sword he pierced Prime with. Lockdown avoided hitting the spark every time.
    Perhaps Lockdown did this with most or all of the transformers he captured? The humans were only wanting the Transformium metal chassis and had not interest in the spark.
    The spark being the only part of the transformer that can not be manufactured or rebuilt. And that either Quintessons and/or Unicron are wanting the wayward transformers hauled home and made to obey?
    The harvested sparks could either be linked to or installed in new bodies someday to "obey" orders?
     
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    Wow, I never thought about it that way before, Lockdown intentionally missing sparks and all. That's an interesting concept.
     
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    Agreed. This is what I believe too. Lockdown even told OP that the "Creators" wanted a clean slate. So maybe he was going to transport their Sparks back to be scrubbed and reprogrammed. But as I said in other threads, if he was storing these sparks, he would have had them in the trophy ship that the Dinobots were in. Of which the Dinobots would now have no doubt went back to as a base of operations.
     
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    Scout ship look about as rough after the "landing" are the Arc did in the G1 cartoon.
    Perhaps some of these souless human transformers may make a body for the harvested sparks if the souls are not in Lockdown's ship?
     
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    Perhaps, but LD was very admin to get that trophy room back, so maybe all the "sparks" were in a container somewhere in that trophy room.
     
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    Minh'T Descendant of Primus

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    I think he kinda ate them, absorb them for his own power. Like what megatron did to Jazz in the first movie comic adaptation
     
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    But you still have a point, Lockdown never meant to aim for Optimus's spark when he shoot or stab him
     
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    And he could have just as easily shot Ratchet through his Spark not once but twice. Granted he wanted info out of Ratchet to find OP so the first shot was intended to injure not kill. But when Ratchet refused to give up OP, lockdown could have just shot or stabbed him through the Spark and been done with it. He was retrieving Sparks for a reason. And I believe the Creators wanted those Sparks back.
     
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    OMG that makes perfect sense! The Quintessons "Thats what I'm hoping for" wants their creations back.. That would explain the Spark Extractor, and the dead Autobots aren't truly dead in the purest sense.. They are merely stored, to be returned to the "Creators"
     
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    Minh'T Descendant of Primus

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    Yeah, but now with lockdown is dead the creator cannot get their hand on the sparks anymore, thx to Optimus :lol 
     
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    LOL

    Pretty sure if they went with this storyline, they'll show it so that Lockdown stored the sparks somewhere in his ship
     
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    Unless Lockdown "mailed" it to them, while he was briefly in outer space. What I wonder is whom will the Quints send next, in place of Locky?
     
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    The ship was at least left in a condition where no one really knows what was saved and what went away with the ship.. I don't believe Lockdown stored the Sparks in his body.. Likely he Extracted them, stored them temporarily and transferred them somewhere secure, so that they could be returned, and perhaps refurbished? The Knightship was left in decent condition, even the secondary ship was in so so condition even though it crashed.. With good writers we may perhaps see them return, or in some other fashion. Bay is no longer at the Helm here, although he maybe a producer.. I believe the next 2 films are gonna knock it out of the park. I don't get the reviews on Rotten Tomatoes, I didn't like DOTM at all, but AOE, I felt knocked it out of the park, although leaving a few dozen plot holes.. But I feel its going in a good direction..
    If the Quints are involved, a new Allspark maybe created, and a restored Cybertron or another planet formed to support Cybertronian life. AOE left me wanting more.. And I think this is just the beginning..

    I'm hoping for maybe Straxus..
    EDIT: or maybe DeathsHead...
     
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    Well, but as much as i agree about Lockdown collecting their spark. I don't think i will agree that the Dead autobots might be back, you know Bay, Prime and Megatron are the only bots that he even bother ressurecting
     
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    I'm kind of hoping that the Autobots find the sparks and make new bodies in a simular way to how Galvvatron did.
     
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    I got a feeling that Megatron didn't transfer his "Spark" unless his Spark was stored in his head.. I think Megatron transferred through Brains, his memories and maybe his CNA/DNA or something.. Galvatron had a hole in his chest kinda signifying that he had no spark.. Its just a guess.. He may of copied himself, with out a Spark.. Unless again, Megatron stored his Spark in his head.. Who knows..
     
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    Yes, Lockdown was obviously using some kind of spark extractor device. In all the footage shown of the humans helping Lockdown take out the Autobots, Lockdown never delivered a killing shot with his face-cannon. He disabled both Prime and Ratchet with precision shots. He took Ratchet's spark intact, and he was taking Prime back to speak with the creators in person.

    Very interesting concept. The Dinobots were being kept on his ship as punishment...."max security prison for 65 million years" as punishment for rebelling against the creators. That seems like a worse punishment than death...and perhaps the creators hoped that it would reform them...they WERE exceptionally powerful and perhaps difficult to make.

    The really interesting part was that Lockdown was not targeting Decepticons. He said to Optimus that the reason the creators were after him specifically was because of the Autobot interactions with other species.

    It seems the creators (I hate it but I'll keep calling them that until Quints are confirmed) are worried about more than one world worth of creatures uniting against them. They want to maintain control. It makes sense that the creators wouldn't be worried about the Decepticons - the Decepticons are certainly not going to unite with other species in revolt...and the Transformers as a whole are probably not powerful enough to take on the creators on their own.
     
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    Yeah, he actually had a specific line to Optimus confirming that he doesn't have a spark.

    So Megatron has found a way, using a combination of human and cybertronian technology, to essentially become immortal.....which is really really bad.
     
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    I'm going to see the movie again next week, this time I can pay more attention to details.. I really can't wait to see it again.. I feel like I'm seeing it for the first time.. I never had these feelings with the other 3.. Im curious on how Megatron Transferred himself into the other body. The Humans were trying to make Galvatron look more like Optimus, but yet he kept changing to look more like Megatron. I hate to mention a Cartoon here, but "Beastmachines" Megatron stayed alive simply because of sheer will and hate for the Maximals... Perhaps Megatrons hate for the Autobots kept something alive within him.. Hate is a powerful thing..
     
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    May lend to building a rebel army ?