Radio Bee or Beeping Bee?

Discussion in 'Transformers Earthspark and Cartoon Discussion' started by electronic456, Dec 18, 2012.

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Which mute Bee is your favourite?

  1. Movie

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  2. Prime

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  1. electronic456

    electronic456 Well-Known Member

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    Which mute Bee is your favourite between these two.

    My opinion: I like both of them pretty much. But if I was to chose between them, I think Movie Bee would be my choice. Just saying............
     
  2. Hot Shot.

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    Neither.
     
  3. TylerMirage

    TylerMirage I vawnt my berdt.

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    I still prefer my 'Bees to speak. :p 

    But seriously, between those two, I think it depends on the context. I felt that radio-Bee worked better for the films (but still would've preferred that he regained his voice) while beeping-Bee works better for TFP. They're both interesting ways of doing a "mute" Bumblebee, but I feel that you can get a little more character out of radio-Bee. Radio-Bee has a plethora of audio clips, music, songs, and mechanical whirs, clicks, whines and buzzes, which can all be played for certain comedic value. Beeping-Bee is pretty much stuck to beep-bop-boop-beeeeep-bop-beep.

    This is something I wish they did for RotF and DotM; used a 50/50 split between "radio 'Bee" and "speaking Bee". Certain lines and scenes work better with actual dialogue, but sometimes I feel that 'Bee's body language and facial emoting is ten times better than anything they'd give him to spout. The close ups of his silent face, or his "so-so" motion to Sam are great little moments. He could've still played songs and clips on his radio, but also have a good dozen or so speaking lines in both of the sequels. Heck, all they would've needed to say was "He's still having voice problems. Ratchet told him to take it easy with the talking, but he needs to give his voice-box-thingamajig some practice." Boom, right there, that gives the writers and Bay freedom to pretty much dictate when and where they want 'Bee to speak or play the radio clips.
     
  4. Jetbolt

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    How about normal talking Bumblebee, like G1, Animated, and WFC had.
     
  5. Honorbound

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    Between the two, I prefer the radio. You can actually understand him somewhat, as opposed to Mr. "Beeps and Fades into the Background."
     
  6. firehawc_69

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    Definitely of the two, movie radio Bee. However if the only choice for a voice was the TF Animated version, I'd take TF Prime's R2-Bee2 over that any day. That kid was fucking annoying.
     
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    Radio, definitely.
     
  8. Noideaforaname

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    I like the idea of the radio talk, where your car (that's actually an alien robot) can at any time tell you something important, even when someone who doesn't/shouldn't know it's secret identity is around -- they'd just think your shoddy rust-bucket of a car was being a shoddy rust-bucket of a car. But the movies borked that up by giving BB the "latest and greatest" version of the Camaro and using his radio talk mostly for Sam's romantic relationship...

    Prime's beeps and boops annoy me to no end. And FoC's utter silence is even worse.
    But of course I'd much rather have an actual voice.
     
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    Beeping. The radio stitching sounds silly.
     
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    Radio
     
  11. SPLIT LIP

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    Radio easily. Spliced, grainy, random voice samples are still preferable to the annoying beeping that's way too loud compared to everything. Plus it reflects the efforts and personality of the character, wheras the beeping does nothing. It's beeping. Plus, radio is a method of communication we understand and supplements his truely damaged and missing voice, not Prime's absolutely asinine method of "have all of BB's lines written with dialogue, then replace it with annoying beeping we don't nderstand and have characters react normally to a statement that's no longer there and completely remove the purpose of speech whenever a non-Raf human isn't around." Plus, beeping doesn't make sens ewith the explanation given, since it's still vocalization and a language understood by all Cybertronians, so as a "problem" he's had to live with it makes no sense, since only humans can't understand him. In fact, it's not even a problem at all, since he only ever talks to Raf, who can understand him. Which also fucks up Ratchet's briefly touched on backstory about regretting not being able to fix BB's voice since he can still talk, basically, just in another language everyone he interacts with can understand. Which means there is absolutely no reason for his beeping or the damaged voice box backstory at all.

    Fuck I hate Prime Bumblebee's beeping and everything accociated with it.
     
  12. Bountyan

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    Radio. But I'd rather have a regularly talking Bumblebee over either of them.
     
  13. Alpha Orsus

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    I like both too... but I think the TFP Bee communicates more with his eyes and body gestures/stance. I really like that aspect about him. I find the concept rather clever - in that the viewer has to work a little harder to understand him, but there is a lot to read in TFP Bee.
     
  14. SPLIT LIP

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    Movie Bumblebee is incredibly emotive with his body language. His form is made of far more moving parts that work towards subtle emotion and character thanks to the amazing complexity of the models and undisputable talent at ILM. There's so much more being said with his motions than fixed-face Prime model. But that's understandable, since Prime isn't anywhere near the movies in effects budgets, but Prime Bumblebee resorts to overblown movements like super-wide-eyes or drooping doors just to convey emotion period verses the movie's incredibly subtle and nuanced facial expressions. Again, it can't be helped, but the added complexity and subtlety of motions in movie Bumblebee speak volumes about the character Prime could never hope to match.
     
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    Of the two, radio but I'd prefer a talking Bumblebee otherwise.
     
  16. Saitou

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    Depends. Some episodes of Transformers Prime get the beeps right, like not too much but not too little either and convey his emotions pretty well. The first movie got the radio talk right in my opinion, the second and third didn`t. So I guess it depends.
     
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    True, yes, the movie budget really does help with the amazing facial expressions; and yes, the Prime Bee is somewhat over exaggerated, but I enjoy reading these sorts of things in the visual imagery of the characters -transcending language. I just wasn't into the movie radio clips, especially since so many of them were used for quick comedy or the romantic relationships. Just my opinion.
     
  18. Murasame

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    Neither.
     
  19. SPLIT LIP

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    While I absolutely understand where you're coming from, and agree that Prime Bumblebee does incorperate these qualities, I could make the arguement that the blaring, insessant beeping overpowers or outright diminishes this fact if not merely distracts. Wheras radio clips at least are a method of communication the viewer understands, and enhance the already subtle body language. Plus, those moments where they're used for comedy are still genuine and work for their intended purpose. More character was conveyed with Bumblebee and his radio in TF1 than in all of Prime. (like playing love songs in vehicle mode to portray his cheeky and helpfully misguided nature) Prime BB is literally totally incapable of expressing himself in vehicle mode, while Movie Bumblebee is virtually the only movie robot capable of doing so.
     
  20. Transformed

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    Both are pretty stupid, but at least the viewer could understand the movie version.

    Transformers Prime won't be using a radio as a voice, as that would surely cost more than a actual VA. Beeping is cheaper and, well, dumber:(