Question regarding continuity(I know there really isn't any), & Thoughts on TLK

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  1. AB83Rules

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    So, I went back and watched TF, ROTF, and DOTM last week, In TF from 07 Megatron crashed on earth, and was later found by Sam(Shia LaBeauf's) Grandfather, and the whole Sector 7 thing began, but in DOTM, when the whole Man on the Moon, and Sentinel Prime's ship the Ark landed, now forgive me as I can't remember exact dates, but in DOTM wasn't in the late 60s, but when did Megatron land on Earth in TF 07? Just seems like there would be a huge time gap between those two events which led to Sentinel's plan to rebuild Cybertron.

    I do like how the movies use actual history, or parts of Earth's past, like Ancient Egypt in ROTF, Man on the Moon in DOTM, and Dinosaur Age with AOE at the beginning with the Creators.

    Now onto my TLK thoughts, like most G1 fans, I'm praying we do see Unicron, the trailer reminds me so much of the 1986 movie with Megatron floating in space dead ish, and reformatted into Galvatron by Unicron, so Prime becomming Nemesis, or just injected with Dark Energon intrigues me, now hears what I'd love to see happen. We see(I believe) Megatron and Lennox in the Trailer, maybe Lennox turns in the TRF group, and needs the help of Megatron to get Prime back, and maybe Megs tells Lennox a little backstory about Him, and Prime being brothers on Cybertron, but we find out Megs betrayed Prime because Optimus(Hopefully referred to as Orion Pax) was chosen as a Prime, and not Megatron. So Megatorn, knowing about this Decepticon Maximum Security Prison, needs Lennox's help to break out whatever Decepticons may be alive, maybe this is where Onslaught, Hooigan, Mohawk, and Barricade are. I'd love to see the Decepticons team up with the Autobots, maybe Lennox and/or Cade get through to Megs telling him there's good in all, and that He and Prime were once brothers, and Prime needs him.

    So they get on the Knights ship that Megs(as Galvatron in AOE) took after Lockdown was killed, and he, Cade, Lennox, and the Autobots get in, go free whatever Decepticons are in the prison, and head to Space to fight Unicron.

    I'm intrigued by the whole new Decepticon like enemy, maybe it's Unicron, or, and forgive me as I don't know much about this character, maybe it's Liege Maximus, also I don't know who this Dragon like TF'er is. Could be Predaking?

    Also can't wait to see the backstory of Prime/Megs, and Creators/Primes. Also hear's a wild idea, but I read that there would be a new Prime you wouldn't expect, some might think Hot Rod becomes Rodimus, but that seems too obvious, maybe Megatron finally gets his wish, and becomes a Prime, as Megatronus Prime, I know it sounds crazy, but it's been in my head since reading everything before the holidays, and seeing the trailer.

    Now of course Bay is the one making the movie, so Unicron may very well not be in it, and he screws it all up.

    Just my 2 cents.
     
  2. transformervic1

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    Yeah the writers weren't thinking ahead worth a damn at the time. However, with a little bit of thinking, you can kinda wove the stories to have better continuity.
     
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    Megatron arrived on earth earlier (it was actually Sam's great-grandfather who discovered him) because when the Ark was shot down it just floated through space before reaching the moon by chance. Megatron, however, flew straight to earth.
     
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    Megatron crashed first, he was found in 1897, so he had to had crashed on Earth before that, if we take the tie in material into account, what happened was that after Sentinel ship was shoot down, Sentinel accidentaly activated the pillars, causing the ship to hop in space and TIME, thus the ship ended up travelling to the 60s thanks to the space bridge.
     
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    This is something that has me curious about The Last Knight. The trailer seems to suggest that the movie will address the reason why Earth is so important to the Transformers. Hopefully the explanation will help make sense of how/why the Cube ended up here.
     
  6. Lord Tron

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    How is no one actually considering the ramifications of things like The war of the dynasty and how it would shape both planets? If something happens it will have a lasting effect that will ripple through history. A single massive event can shape an eternity. Earth is important because it's where the TF conflict began where the war of the dynasty was fought and where the matrix was hidden. I can't believe how many people just ignore this how many people think that wouldn't be a big deal. Everything is on Earth because of The Fallen by choosing our sun by random chance we became a part of their history. Megatron chose Earth for his and Sentinels plan because it's where the matrix was, that's what he wanted the Allspark in the first place, that's why he wanted Sam because he had the Allspark which could lead him to the Matrix. Is this stated no but it's not hard to deduce either.

    You don't need a blasted answer how on Earth is the war of the dynasty the very thing that divided the TFs being fought on Earth the war being driven by the Fallen's desire to wipe out our sun not reason enough for why Earth's important? There's also another tiny detail people are overlooking that I can't believe hasn't been brought up, THE TRANSFOENERS WERE CREATED THROUGH THE CYBERFORMING OF EARTH, OUR PLANET PLAYED A ROLE IN MAKING THEM! That's not reason enough then what exactly is what better reason is there than the war started on our planet or our planet played a role in making them if those aren't answer enough then nothing this movie says will be.
     
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    Keeping these films limited to a single story with loose continuity between the films has not been very beneficial story-wise.
     
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    Honestly I would be just fine if they simply explain why Earth keeps attracting stuff and people from Cybertron in general rather than going in too much depth (explaining the Allspark, then explaining the events of 2, 3 and 4). They should keep it brief and then just leave the rest of it for us to piece together. We're smart, we can figure out the timeline. Not everything has to be handed to us on a silver platter.
     
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    The Cube landed on earth, or was it pulled into earth? And who controlled the Cube in the first place?
    And how did Megatron know where the Cube left to? I have so many questions, and I don't think TF5 will have all the answers.
     
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    There's a small flaw with your suggestion and that flaw is that the fans can't piece it together since you already have the pieces to piece it all together and no one has. You already have the bloody answer to your question yet you keep asking for them to answer it. If you want your answer just read my comment above it pretty much explains all you need to know.
     
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    See? You pieced it together.
    Which further proves my point.
     
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    AFAIK the comics had the Cube end up on Earth because it was drawn to the Sun Harvester, which I guess was it's recharge device or something.
     
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    Comics aren't movie canon.
     
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    I just had a massive thought input......every one of these movies has been narrated by Optimus prime! What if the information we have received is compromised? He obviously didn't know of. Sentinel and megatron plans... this this invalidates his reasoning for for why megatron came to earth before Sams ancestor found him, so if you think Between the lines they have left a heck of a lot of stuff open to interpretation here
     
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    I picked up on the vibe the more I thought about his very first line in the first movie: "before time began, there was the cube". He even goes on to explain that they don't know where it comes from so it's obvious there are things Optimus doesn't know.
     
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    True, but it's short and simple to understand and until TF5 inevitably has to make up some convoluted nonsense to explain it, it's satisfactory in that the movies don't contradict it from being my headcanon.
     
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    That's my rule pf thumb. Much like how the SW games, novels, and comics used to go as long as it doesn't contradict the films then it's considered to have happened.

    Just going by the films themselves Megatron landed on Earth during the Ice Age and of course fell into the ocean and was frozen in stasis for hundreds of years before being unearthed by Sam's great-grandfather and imprinting the location of the Allspark. Now during the time Megs was buried in the ice The Ark crashed onto the surface of the moon with Sentinel Prime and leading to the US finding the crash site in the 60s. The continuity seems to flow just fine with The Fallen appearing during Earth's prehistoric period, Megatron arriving during our Ice Age, and Sentinel arriving sometime before the 60s.
     
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    Yeah I pieced it together but anytime I try to explain this you know the answer I get, that doesn't actually answer anything wait what, how doesn't that answer anything. People are still asking why they keep coming to Earth despite revenge giving you more than enough to answer it.

    This movie doesn't need to justify the TFs coming to Earth as Revenge already did that the answer to that question is the matrix as both the Allspark and Sentinel relate to the Matrix, the matrix was Megatron's goal and the Fallen's. The medieval stuff could be seekers already on the Earth, that's the part a lot of people forget Simmons mentions them being here for ages, we see a TF disguised as a vehicle from the I believe WW1 time. These TFs have been here since like 18,000 BC do people really think them being here for twenty thousand years isn't going to massively influence human history. Of course they would be in medieval times or WW2 they have to be somewhere since they can't leave.

    I'm just amazed how many fans keep going why are they involved with so much of Earth's history without remembering that they've been here for twenty thousand years that our ancient civilizations were built ontop of the remains of their culture, our technology created from studying one of them. They shaped our history what do these fans think these robots were doing while being stuck here for the last twenty thousand years. Why they're here doesn't need an answer all this movie needs to answer is the creators and how their creating of the TFs connects to the Allspark and who the knights of Cybertron are that's it, do that and the rest will fall into place.
     
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    Broadly speaking you are correct, but there's questions within that framework that still need explanation, I think we've already mentioned this before you and I. What needs laying out also is the why things happened how they have, why the fallen chose to try and extinguish earth and battle with his brothers when there are plenty more planets, why the creators set in motion a series of events with their cyberforming of planets how far did earth get in this process, was the fallen just following orders in an attempt to set up attempt 2 at cyberforming, also is this relevant in the construction of a cyber Planet as does cybertron orbit a burning sun.....in the movies.

    There is loads of questions that still really need answers, despite what has happened already and hopefully things will get more meat on its bones as the movies in the new cinematic universe unfold
     
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    I think we should really let the writers explain things to us. I usually don't like trying to connect the dots of the movieverse continuity because of how messy it is but I feel like there is an awesome mythology altogether if tied in a neat bow.