This one paragraph from that interview is what finally made me somewhat interested in this movie. Not saying I think it will be good. I expect another Bay Transformers movie that is fun to watch and has some great action scenes but leaves me later questioning a lot of things they did and disliking some things too, but this did make me interested in it:

"Di Bonaventura: So if you go back in the mythology, how Transformers were actually created, where did it start, where did they go from being a sort of a slave-race to a sentient race–we’re delving into that aspect of the mythology, so the characters that are involved in there are Megatron before he’s Megatron, Optimus before he’s Optimus, the Librarian, the Quintessons, there’s a whole group of things that have to do with how, in a sense, the Transformers were birthed, and also with how they were divided. What brought up the division, and what were the jealousies involved."

 

I kinda thought all that was already addressed betweem the quest for the Allspark and the war between The Fallen and the other Primes.

 

Unfortunately, there are millions of people with their heads far up their asses and are dumb enough to make it another billion dollar trash movie

 

So when they say "Librarian" were they referring to Optimus Prime or is there a separate character named the "Librarian"?

 

Color me intrigued. Especially in regards to the use of the mythology in this movie.

 

Not interested in anymore of this trash.

 

By the looks of the comma placement, The Librarian seems to be someone else entirely.

 

Interested enough to seek out threads about it and post in them.

 

wasn't Optimus a librarian in the cartoons Before he become a prime ?

 

Could be OP as his job in the original cartoon universe was that he was a archivist for the records of Cybertronian history but Alpha Trion was the head Librarian and the one that wrote all the history and archived it in the records or the Covenant of Primus.

 

You're right it was but for some people that wasn't good enough and we needed another explanation for the war so the creators were introduced and TLK is going to explain the origins of the TFs in detail so people will stop saying nothing was explained it probably won't work but hey more Cybertron backstory, optimus and Megatron origins count me in.

 

Less robots in the robot movie is all the rage

 

Wasn't Orion Pax a dock worker in the G1 cartoon? The whole archivist thing was like the Aligned universe.

 

Hmmm.. i have a theory that maybe the Librarian is Anthony Hopkins character ("Alpha Trion") who sought refuge on Earth with the Omega Key in his possession (?).

 

Truth

I think it was "War Within".

 

Yeah, "War Dawn". In G1 Pax was a dock worker. In TF Prime/Aligned continuity, he's a librarian.

In G1, the cybertronians were production models that evolved and gained sentience, and further evolved and adapted from interactions with other species. Like Primacron and his assistant having created unicron and the matrix. These interactions further evolved the cybertronian species. They started out as automatons that were designed for different tasks. Gained sentience that led to the autobot rebellion, that eventually set Cybertron on a path of self-determination, which led to the creation of a dedicated military that went rogue to try and rule the planet because they felt they were superior. Which then became the decepticons trying to take over the planet that started the great decepticon-autobot war that eventually ravaged the planet entirely into a group of autobots trying to leave to gather resources from out in space because of how resources had dwindled from the war. Which the decepticons tried to stop them, which led to the crash on earth originally.

In aligned continuity with the original Primes, it's the story of Primus having created them because of the struggle to stop Unicron.

In the movie so far it's always been the allspark, that was put on a barren planet that instilled the base instinct to refuel it using stars from non-life bearing systems. It has yet to be explained why the allspark was put on a barren world with that instruction, who created it, for what purpose, and why Megatonus Prime got corrupted with promises of power to rule. From the allspark on down from there, the life forms evolved into different kinds of sustained systems probably akin to the caste system used in the aligned continuity which eventually led to the decepticon uprising and power grab in Megatronus' name. We can potentially safely assume that somewhere between the original 13, and the autobot-decepticon war, cybertronian social life evolved and created its own cultures, as well as was influenced from any other life forms it interacted with, and potentially also has aspects that dabbled in the Maslow hierarchy of needs alongside other social constructs that evolved to their world.

According to IDW, Optimus/Pax started out as a librarian, then became a law officer, then eventually a Prime.

In aligned and IDW we do not know what optimus/pax was before being a librarian.

With the allspark, Cybertronians are more biological/technological mixed but 'metal' based, so it was a full evolution of physical and mental. In G1 it was the software side that evolved. The social constructs that evolved from there varies even deeper under the right writers. So it's not as simple as saying "it" and "only robots". It's a bit more convoluted and complicated to describe. We are talking about an alien race, which is why even in the first movie, they were described as "NBE" or non-biological entity, because they were "alive" but didn't match any earthly understanding of that concept. All we saw with early S7 tests on earth tech with the allspark was that it created transforming creatures that had instincts that were never fully explored or shown to be understood. Kind of like they woke up with an immediate terror of 'life' with new surroundings and lashed out accordingly. Not much different than how a baby comes into this world crying. Except in this instance, that life form can instinctually make any weapon to lash out with and has more defined motor skills. So the sense of "life" and the "terror" of these brand new surroundings is more pronounced than say a human baby that still has to grow and develop from a more vulnerable state.

Humanity isn't much different in how we evolved either from baser instinct life forms, to what is perceived as what we are today, only we're more 'organic' machines.

There are a lot of interesting topics that can get explored in this because of social constructs, culture, and at least what humanity currently understands as needs of sentience.

 

I apologize for the length of this but...it needed to be done.

And how humans were painstakingly shoved into every waking second of it!

Not going to harp on this much but...when a guy has to reiterate that something on Earth is happening on Earth, I have to question if he even remembers literally nothing in these films of significance take place anywhere except on Earth for almost ten years now.

Which Mythology? The pre-existing one or the crap Hasbro's been trying to push for the last five years that simply takes a bunch of important sounding names and rewrites everything however they please?

Well, yes, finding out how humans manage to be involved in yet more Transformers history-defining nonsense pretty much is the reason people are still watching despite the very nice 'you can stop now' point at the end of DOTM where they should have rebooted and figured out all this plotline stuff as a foundation for a new series as opposed to trying to build on top of something never intended to be that complex in the first place.

Because announcing THREE BACK-TO-BACK FILMS without scripts for them or any clue how they actually work together certainly is a good idea if you aren't accounting for the long term plans.

What is he even saying here? "We don't think about what the blueprint of the film we're making is about after we've already written the script" is genuine nonsense!

That's called covering-your-ass-with-possible-sequel-threads, you moron. All this bullshit implication of 'knowing' where they're laying 'pipes' for other movies is complete fiction, since in this same interview he harps on about delving into the mythology of the franchise the majority of people watching the film are not going to know despite what little is even maintained. You know, like how the 'Creators' were completely unexplained but everybody on this board was guessing it was the Quints since that was the easy road, and lo and behold it's all but outright confirmed it's the squids. Trying to be mysterious with this stuff in that manner just isn't working because it leaves those unfamiliar with the property's history too much in the dark, while treating those who are familiar with the property's history like morons who are easily fooled if not given outright, explicit details about things they already know.

Did I just read 'we're not making this movie to set up the other movies' being attributed to a film that's supposed to launch this dumb TFCU? Does this guy not get the entire job of this film is to be the jumping off point for the TFCU?

This is the worst excuse for not simply rebooting this crap that I've heard yet.

I'm legitimately worried now. This man is speaking as if there is only one fucking continuity across the franchise. Binder of Relevation we know got tossed out because Prime's production team wouldn't play along to even basic guidelines and tanked the aligned multi-continuity in the process, so I have to figure...he's talking about that goddamn Covenant book. You know, the one where PRIME IS LITERALLY ROBOT JESUS.

And the ongoing comics really shouldn't even be in this context...that he's talking like Pat Lee from Dreamwave and citing Hasbro directly on all this is not a good sign.

Can he not say "mythology" for even five sentences?

...he didn't actually answer the question, which was 'will people enjoy the film' and not 'how will people understand the mythology if they haven't seen the four films previously?'

Also, the idea that after all the bullshit in AoE went down, that you don't even need to know any of it to 'fully enjoy' TF5 really underscores how little continuity there even is right now.

TFW movie forums in a nutshell.

Even George Lucas wasn't this fucking ignorant of his own films.

No, right now that's just you, Di Bonaventura, and your obsession with 'mythos' and 'mystery' to the point the first four films apparently don't matter according to you.

Does this guy even understand the irony of the context of what he's saying?

For a guy who said he isn't going to spoil anything, he's just confirmed two parallel storylines going on at once.

...god this guy must have been such a pain to listen to.

And the legitimacy of the writers room having produced any final movie scripts just died. It was an overglorified think tank that didn't even make the final decisions on how to handle those ideas. Also, it's sounding like Energon with how much 'combination' is going on in ONE PARAGRAPH.

And they should have stayed two different movies. This is just begging for disaster with robot screen time all over again.

As long as they were first in AoE or Prime, BB, and Megatron, because we literally killed all the others off if they weren't introduced in AoE.

Except Barricade, he's back for some reason but that's just, like, ONE guy. And he might just die again too because he's not important.

I also do hope this trainwreck of an interview eventually is the first sign they managed Windblade into this comedy of errors, since "fan-built" almost is interchangable with Hasbro's idea of 'fan favorite' these days.

Wow. Maybe they'll even be called Dinobots this time in the film, too?! Or God willing, spoken dialogue!

The fact he couldn't answer in a simple yes or no format to what isn't even a spoiler, essentially, defaults to "no" in my book. Seriously, Ravage existing in ROTF was a bigger interview spoiler in comparison.

I legit want to know what he would say is the reason they WEREN'T. Because what in God's name kept them from putting in the dinobots over so, so much excess human garbage drama in that film?

"HOW DO WE MAKE THESE ANCIENT PRIMES RELEVANT TO THIS ANCIENT MYTHOLOGY AND MYSTERY" is what he's saying they had to even consider. Like, isn't this shit you should come up with WHEN you are planning to add the characters in the first place?

Hope you like G1 Season 3 comic relief Grimlock, everybody!

Man, he's rolling with the spoilers - he's implying Megatron is once again overshadowed as the big bad for the fourth film straight. This is sad but I can't help but laugh  

This doesn't make sense. The Decepticons don't even have real depth of character beyond 'generic evil bastards' in these films. Or does this mean the big bad is both card-carying Decepticon AND actually has some decent backstory/motivation other than Megatron in the first film?

Vs. literally "EVERYBODY FUCKING DIES IN THE END" in the past four films? Seriously, they need to stop acting like they're ramping up the threat when they never do.

QUINTS CONFIRMED if it wasn't already, both in the name drop but also the whole 'slave race' mention - are they really going for the G1 'the Quints built them all' angle?

Not really sure the sudden exposition over how the film explores the origins of the Transformers is a good idea, though. Is this why he keeps insisting the four previous films can be skipped, because they're retconning the shit out of the allSpark/First Primes/etc. almost like a reboot?

This is not a complete sentence.

Because STOPPING HUMAN EXTINCTION isn't good enough anymore!

Hasbro's totally brought this up more than once.

...this man has not seen G1 S3. At all.

Prepare the cringe expressions folks.

Mr. "We don't change scripts after we've written them!" everybody.

Wasn't this litterally the entire fucking point of the Writer's Room?

CINEMATIC UNIVERSE EVERYBODY! WHERE THE FILMS DON'T EVEN NEED TO FUCKING CONNECT TO EACH OTHER DESPITE LITERALLY EVERYTHING SAYING THIS IS THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING!

Humans confirmed, given the way this guy implies how things 'change' between initial idea to final product.

Oh GOD, it's Matt Ward's Ultramarines all over again!

 

Yup more of the same right...like other action movies are different. Wait their all more of the same. Action, dialogue if any and more action

 

Can we get a cliff-notes version of the interview?
Some people haven't got enough time to read though all the fluff.

 

Yup and im one of them...
Transformers has to have one of the biggest fan bases filled with those that love it and those that hate/love it.
So no matter what it aint stopping anytime soon.