Problem with Masterpiece Combiners

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  1. skywarpD26

    skywarpD26 Well-Known Member

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    There is a problem I have noticed among my Friends, Masterpiece Combiners

    What I mean by a problem is that they are impossible to Accomplish period

    While yes the individual Members are easy to keep in scale with existing Masterpiece Figures but their combined form that is a whole different thing.

    Take Devastator the first Combiner to be introduced to the franchise and as the G1 series went the size did change depending on the episode but there was a consistency at least for the first two seasons but I was recently re-watching the episode City of Steel and noticed that Devastator was holding Optimus in his hand and Optimus was about the same size as MP-10 appears in the hands of a person that is about 6 feet tall.

    Also the more I watched I saw the scale was similar for Superion, Menasor and Bruticus in there respective Introduction and Spotlight episodes for that season. Now I am not going to talk about Season 3 and 4 because the scale was all over the place so bad that it is nearly impossible to judge an accurate scale for Combiners.

    Personally I feel a better scale for Combiners was depicted in the Prime Wars Trilogy series where the Combiners were more in line of what a Combiner where they weren't much taller then a traditional Character which looks more in line with what can be produced from the MP scaled members combined together.

    But this is just my opinion and it has lead to some "Fun" arguments with my friends.

    Now I open the doors to you the community saying what do you think and where do you stand on this topic

    Also of note to the Moderators if this topic is not best located in the 3rd Party area and would be best placed in another forum Please move it where you feel it is best for its location
     
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  2. Trent

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    Masterpiece combiners are your friends?
     
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    This topic has been discussed to Hell and back.
    The prefernces tend to land at either 14", or 18".
     
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    bellpeppers A Meat Popsicle

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    Quit worrying about scale.
     
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  5. David Hingtgen

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    "Made to later toon scale" is just ginormous, they wouldn't fit in your house if scaled to Prime/Megs/Starscream:
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    octobotimus Bad company ruins good morals

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    You missed the new standard 20-21” set by the prominent MP scale companies
     
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    mikeszekely Not Pessimus Prime

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    It doesn't matter how they were animated. Yes, you can find episodes where Devastator was drawn so big he could old Optimus like King Kong. You can also find episodes where he was drawn about the same size as Soundwave. Thing is, even if they ignored it sometimes, the animators had scale guides that indicated roughly how big they were supposed to be. They're not exact, due to how they were made, but Devastator should be roughly 2-3x the height of Optimus (depending on which lines you're looking at).

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    Correct
     
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    divinecomedy Well Known Sucker

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    Every scale problem can be fixed with a pair of rose colored glasses.
     
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    bruticus.jpg

    A cartoon as shoddily animated as this shouldn't be the yardstick for what defines scale.
     
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    I need that glass to find my MP scale Unicron.
     
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    Hah!
     
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    I used the G1 cartoon as just an example, IDW had the same problem of the Combiners being so much larger when they are combined then they should have been.

    Also I personally don't mind the current scale for MP Combiners, in all honesty I am not a super fan of the Community desperate Need that Everything having to be Masterpiece scale

    What I was talking about is having the Combined form being in scaled with MP-10 based on depictions in the various media.
     
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    I meant my Fellow TransFans
     
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    These discussions are why I believe the pursuit of so-called ‘proper scale’ is antithetical to transformers collecting.

    People demand more out of scale than the toons, movies, comics, and holy scale chart are able able to deliver.
     
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    Personally I take a middle approach rather than all or nothing when it comes to scale. The official chart is a helpful guide to have for a close approximation, and it works out great in most instances, but is problematic for combiners, and is why I think "parts forming" is a necessary evil not only for stability but for scale purposes. Imagine how messed up scale would be if individual combiners were true to size to their real world counterparts. lol What a cluster-mess of a combiner that would be!
     
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    I have deluxe seekers standing with deluxe Prowl and Deluxe Ironhide with Deluxe Bumblebee and deluxe Warpath- soon to be incorporated with DX9 Rhichto... w/e.

    I’d rather have good, transforming representations of the characters than ‘to scale’ figures whose design and engineering are compromised for the sake of scale.

    People make a big deal about combiners; they have a problem with a space shuttle arm or motorcycle leg... but the robot characters are the same size.
     
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    Different strokes and all of that, I mean sounds like we're different type collector's because I don't have any skin in the Hasbro lines, and probably accounts for the difference in view about scaling. I'm amazed by the design and engineering within both the official and third party masterpiece line. Never in my wildest of dream would I thought it possible to have what we have available. For me, official and third party are so great, really don't need or want anything else, but that's me, myself, and I.
     
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    I am continually stunned at this fandom's inability to watch 98 episodes of a cartoon and not figure out some sort of average size of a character based on multiple appearances.
     
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    Wasn't there an episode where Ultra Magnus was holding a couple of Constructions in his hands and they were tiny compared to him?
     
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