Power Rangers - Toys, Television, and More!

Discussion in 'The Toyark' started by Kickback, Sep 17, 2006.

  1. theestampede

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    They definitely feel more sturdy than any gunpla I’ve handled in recent memory, but they aren’t as solid as a deluxe transformer or something of equatable size.

    I love the things, but the model kit assembly in and of itself, results in a feeling of fragility. The plastic is thicker than one might expect from a model kit, but the joints are often ball sockets or pegs inserted into holes which are used as hinges, and they aren’t always the sturdiest of joints.

    as I said, I like them a lot, but I definitely understand why people might not get the same enjoyment out of them. Especially if you want something you can absent-mindedly fidget with.
     
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    I must not being buying the right SMP. Because when I attempt to transform them, joints are popping off and pieces don't stay put. The Shogun Megazord is wobbly and a shitshow in gestalt mode (the individual zords aren't TOO bad). Liverobo is okay once you get him into either modes but there's waaaay too much part swapping. Later kits tried to get away from part swapping but, as a result, they have internal mechanics that don't really hold up well in plastic model kits. Every time I buy one, I just hunger all the more for the DX.

    It's part of the truth. But what I'm really wanting is transformable toys, not these. Why am I bothering with them?

    1. I can't afford the originals in the aftermarket.
    2. I keep hoping by supporting the line (even if I'm being super choosey) that Bandai will realize there's a market for SoC Sentai figures

    Basically, if they can take the SMP engineering and translate that to a slightly larger all-plastic figure with pins and screws to hold it together - I'd buy the crap out of those. It's more or less what Action Toys has been doing lately and how I was able to finally afford a Voltes V and Daimos that actually transformed, even if they're only about 6-7 inches tall.
     
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    But the model-kit part is what keeps them cheaper than they would be if they were pre-assembled toys. That's the other part of the draw of them.
     
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    That's not necessarily true. Action Toys sells their figures for around $45 MSRP.

    Bandai sells Gundam 1/144 toy figures for $20.

    There's no reason a 6-7 inch transforming toy figure adaptation shouldn't retail for around $50-60.

    Japan just likes to sell minipla model kits because they can get them into places at retail that aren't on the toy shelves, being considered "candy". And no, there's really no justification in my mind why the SMP kits retail at around $80-100 in the U.S. these days. That's really insane.
     
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    I think that's more to do with the complexity of the figure, at the size that it is. Plus, Bandai has been adding even more articulation into them. So, by necessity, there's far more, sometimes tiny, joints in the figures.

    Ah...I think I figured it out. I think my definition of "fragile" is different than some on here. I'm thinking "easily breakable, must be handled delicately for fear of breakage, etc", none of which I feel with SMP. Some are definitely what I'd call fiddly.


    Haha, ironically, this is why I like them. I find them very condusive to just picking up and playing around with.

    I dunno, my experience sounds completely opposite of yours. Some are definitely better than others, but I can't really think of any that routinely fall apart, or I find frustrating. I've got every Sentai and Brave release so far, so perhaps from seeing the line as a whole is giving me a different perspective, as opposed to only seeing a select few.

    I prefer as little parts forming as possible too, but I also haven't experienced any of these internal mechanics that don't work, that you're referring too.

    I actually really love seeing the clever ways Bandai comes up with in order to get around the limitations of the DXs. None of these designs were created with articulation in mind. I'm impressed that Bandai is finding ways to do, and at such a small scale.


    Haha, I can understand that. But I think you're telling Bandai that you're more interested in SMP, at this point.

    I'd love to have this same line as competed figures. But it sounds to me, that unless they were closer to the 10-12" scale, you might still be disappointed. I think a lot of the added articulation and complexities, even as a prebuilt figure, would still be as "fragile" feeling at anything around this scale.

    You'd still be trying to cram 3 to 5 individual gimmicky/articulated figures, some of which are barely 2" , which then need to combine into a fully articulated 5" figures. That's a lot of moving parts in a figure that size.

    Ironically, I was also going to use the example of Action Toys' Mini Action line, of how this would turn out. In my experience, I find the Mini Action figure to feel cheaper, more fiddly, and more "fragile" than any of my SMPs. I still enjoy them, but I defitnely find SMP more "fun" to handle and pose, etc.
     
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    Transformers aren't model kits, though, and you can't play with a model kit the way you can a TF toy. As long as you don't handle them with ape hands SMPs shouldn't fall apart or be flimsy at all. They're more detailed and better engineered at the expense of that hamfisted play you can get away with in Transformers.

    I mean, that sounds like a personal problem. Plenty of people build model kits. It takes skill, effort, and patience yes, but if it aggravates you I don't think that's the kit's fault.

    Errors can be made handling any toy. They're not the fault of the kit. Don't take this the wrong way, but if you can't follow simple directions how is that a fault with the model?

    And you can have that, it's called the DX, but it's not articulated and takes up a lot more space.

    Sure, but there isn't, Even if there were I don't know I'd replace any of my few SMP's except maybe Daizyujin because it cheats during transformation, same way I wouldn't replace my DXs with SMP. They're different toys doing different things, giving options we otherwise wouldn't have.

    I've never bought any $20 HG that's even remotely as intricate or engineered as a SMP. Or have pre-painted parts. Or use ABS plastic.

    That we can agree on, but the domestic inflation is really its own issue. On actual Japanese sites they run closer to 30-40$ USD, far more reasonable especially compared to Gunpla.
     
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    My impression was that these aren't candy toys per se anymore. They still have the line of cheaper candy toys for the current series but I thought the SMP were mainly exclusive/collectors shop type stuff, especially at those prices.

    I just assume the reason they're so expensive here is because Bandai isn't allowed to sell them directly because of the Hasbro license, and so importers know these are in demand because of PR and price accordingly. Any future Super Sentai SOC or toy or whatever will probably have a similar markup.

    You should see the complaints about the $25 line of Gundam Universe figures (which I assume is what you are talking about). Otherwise you have the Robot Spirits line which is a LOT more per figure, and going ever higher.
     
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    They still come with candy, though. If they weren't intended for candy shelves or to be offered in dagashi shops (do they still have those?), why put those in there?

    Nah, they're high priced even trying to go through Amazon Japan directly (of whom won't ship but you can still see their prices). Bio Robo is 7000y. After shipping, I'd be plunking down around $80. Bandai just knows there's a demand and has raised its prices on SMP for some stupid reason. I remember paying $45 shipped for Liverobo...so Bandai has nearly doubled the price on these. Leopardon is only 4000y right now...so what the hell?
    Amazon.co.jp: Super Mini-Pla Electronic Combination Biorobo (2 Pack), Candy Toy, Refreshing Candy (Super Electronic Bioman) : Hobbies

    Even then, like I said, Action Toys proves that affordable, quality transforming small-scale mecha can be done. It can DEFINITELY be done sub-9999y, which seems to be where the SMP is heading for no particular reason other than Bandai sees a profit margin they like.
     
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    Looking at places like HLJ, seems like retail for Biorobo was around 5500 Yen and that's pure non-Bandai markup. Not sure why you blame Bandai for that, other than maybe they made it more limited? Amazon Japan like Amazon, does not always sell for retail price. (I could be wrong on this but I checked several Japanese sites like HLJ and 1999.co.jp)


    Leopordon seems like it was 4950 yen at retail.
     
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    It could be that I didn't do full due diligence on Biorobo. I usually use Amazon Japan or BBTS (which surprisingly can be competitive when you factor in shipping).

    Still, prices have risen at least 1000y and seem to be driving farther up as we go. Granted, EVERYTHING is going up. But I pointed out Biorobo because his pricing came pre-COVID inflation.
     
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    I don't really want to be ginger with my playthings. I'm not buying these to photograph - I'd like to transform them mindlessly while watching Super Sentai. That said, I do try to be ginger with these since they are model kits. Shogun is a mess. Biorobo has issues when I try to combine the units due to a badly engineered plug-in-joint, from what I can tell. GaoGaiGar was just plain awful and feels like it will fall apart at a moments notice. I know most won't but they FEEL like they will when I handle them. I hate that.

    The kit is a model kit. Yeah, that part IS personal - models really aren't for me but I buy them anyway since I can't afford the real thing.

    Again, I simply don't have the patience for these things.

    When Biorobo costs a mortgage payment in the aftermarket, that's a no-go. Seriously, you know that.
     
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    I think we've beating this horse pretty well. However, it's worth pointing out that every standard, multi-mecha (non P-Bandai, non carrier size) Sentai SMP has been nearly exactly 5500 yen, with the exception of Daizyujin at 5000, and Live Robo at 4500. If you're paying more, then you're buying from the wrong place. Occasionally, but not often, they do get discounted on AJ through a 3rd party seller. So, nope, no continuous rising prices, and certainly not doubling on anything.

    But meanwhile, in that time, they've been getting more complex, better articulated, better build quality, better parts separation, and more and more prepainted parts. So, you're actually getting more value for the money in the newer releases. GaoKing easily has 3 times as many prepainted parts as Daizyujin or Shogun, not to mention better articulation and no parts swapping or remove and replace parts.


    This is the first I'm hearing about issues with BioRobo. Never had issues with mine, nor saw anything in any of the reviews I've watched for read.

    Gaigaigar does, indeed, have issues, mostly the weak leg connection. It was also one of the very first releases. SMP has made such huge improvements in everything since then.
     
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    Just gonna jump in and say I’ve never had an issue with an SMP Kit. Personally I love building kits and as most people here would know, I’m great at painting. SMP especially lately has been way more solid than any Gunpla kit I’ve handled. When I’m done with them they’re solid little toys I say would rival the DXs! But again that’s entirely in part of my skill set, but the kits are solid
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    I think Superminipla keeps going in Japan because it’s a lot cheaper for them to produce and less risky given the increasingly lower birth rate in Japan. You’ll notice that while Super Sentai has been virtually dead in the Figuarts line (aside from a few MMPR releases as stateside exclusives with new unmasked head sculpts from a few years ago). Meanwhile we are getting some of the older teams released as figures in the candy kit lines in addition to the newer teams.

    I believe Superminipla gained more improvements in engineering and features due to Bandai noticing that older collectors are starting to collect the line. Some of the SOC designers are on the same team and even make some improvements that the SOC figures didn’t have. Also helps that these are molded in ABS instead of polystyrene, which makes it more enticing to figure fans who normally don’t want to build kits(since they’re usually made largely put of polystyrene). I hope Bandai is also using the newer SMP kits to gauge demand for new SOCs or redesigns.

    There’s still demand for completed figures that can combine and transform and are in the bigger size that old Sentai DX were. Maybe Hasbro will eventually make Megazords like that.
     
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    It's their pre-order price guarantee. If the price ever drops below what it was when you ordered before the release date they adjust.
     
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    I was surprised to see a toy have a price guarantee. They've been finicky with their price guarantees this year as there have been several video games and movies that were not covered by it.

    Anyway, I'm never going to complain about Hasbro's paint apps again on their $23 toys:

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