Post WFC-trilogy Generations Toylines Speculation

Discussion in 'Transformers Toy Discussion' started by B-Fox, Apr 24, 2020.

  1. BlackHawkOmega

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    All this "NuCHUG" label stuff is ridiculous. You sound insane parsing what "does" and "doesn't" count.
     
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    Apologies. I'm just putting a label to what the Hasbro reps have been distinguishing the part of the line with "raising the bar", "sharing a unified scale like Studio Series", and "better representing their legacy likenesses", etc to be more clear. They're distinguishing the old and new Generations stuff from one another with various lines like that, so I thought it'd be easier just to make a new term that encompasses it all.

    I'm confused with what part sounds "insane" or "ridiculous" though.
     
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    I'm of the viewpoint of "Why not?" the entire franchise is built on silly gimmicks, clunky sci-fi, and nostalgia baiting.

    In my opinion, alien robots hiding in synthetic organic shells to pretend to be other species is no more silly than alien robots pretending to be cars, or turning into guns, or combining, or any of the other weird shit that G1 and the other series were riddled with. So the idea that something like that is too silly or doesn't belong in this franchise doesn't really add up in my mind. And besides, the pretenders and their shells had cool designs that would look great with modern updates, though there's the problem of how to fit them in with the current pricing model the series uses. At the very least I'd like to see the classic pretenders alternate color schemes get used at some point in GenSelects or something, Starscream especially.

    And Action Masters/RED/Whatever I see mostly as a fun novelty thing, I certainly wouldn't enjoy it if it were handled like how the original Actionmasters were as the main line for a year, but yeah throw in some more accurate robots with funky color schemes into a sideline with transforming weapons and vehicles that's awesome!
     
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    Inb4 Siren is a Nightbeat repaint but then Takara goes and makes their own Goshooter anyway
     
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    After watching Kingdom, (no spoilers BTW) I think Legacy will have its own cartoon continuation picking up the threads dropped by Kingdom. Maybe farther in the future, using bots the same way that the toyline is taking the best ideas of T30, Prime Wars, and WFC. I don't want to spoil anything, but if cybertron were to be repopulated you could use every era simply as new characters fit into the WFC era or new designs for present characters with Unicron as the overarching threat. Prime OP could simply be a new design for WFC OP, for example.
    If I'm right, then it should make speculating a little easier.
     
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    Why is it crazy to differentiate different eras? One can argue that WFC rebooted generations and give examples of why we believe this.

    You aren’t obligated to see a difference but for some of us, it’s important for a variety of reasons. I personally want to curate a collection that has a cohesive look, so I tend to stick to post-WFC stuff.

    Some of us also enjoy discussing aesthetics and design philosophies and this is one of those ways we examine how the franchise has evolved.
     
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    I feel it's less pointless and more so just mishandled. I'm not a huge Pretender fan, but I'm one of those people who feels every gimmick can have it's place if it's handled well enough.

    Open the spoiler to see my further thoughts:

    With a name like "pretenders", it really feels to me like they're more so going with the "robots in disguise" tagline, cause after all, these are technically robots disguised in organic shells.

    Takara at least made them shrink down to human size, and the armor on the human shells were more like battle armor in the show, so that way they could actually blend in with humans within the media of Japan.

    I couldn't really give a good method to "fixing" pretenders, while still keeping the shells. It's just an overall weird concept. Maybe have the fiction state they designed the organic shells to protect them from Energon radiation like in BW, but they also doubled as disguises among alien races who wanted to scrap cybertronians like Mechanibals or Quintessons, hence the name pretender. That would also work into the idea that pretender technology eventually lead to the beast upgrade.

    The battle armor could be explained easily as literally being power armor used to protect the organic shell. The Autobots need the armor more because their shells resemble humans, and need more protection compared to the Decepticons generally using monsterous shells that probably have more natural protection.

    I would definitely personally be more than happy to just get characters like Bludgeon and Metalhawk who just have robot modes based on their shells, with alt modes based on the inner bot's alt modes. But that method would make Stranglehold very hard to do, and Doubleheader would really be stepping on Rack'n'Ruin's toes. Though an Octopunch that looks like his shell and turns into a crab would be a dream come true.
     
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  8. Rojixus

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    That's exactly what I'm afraid of, Rooster Teeth getting their hands on another Transformers trilogy.
     
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    Agreed. At least it might inform us as to where the toyline is going!
     
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    The caveat to that separation though is that Greenlight and Lancer were both WFC branded but used pre WFC molds, Skytread was specifically made compatible with Battletrap, Omega Supreme was intentionally scaled to CW Devastator, Jetfire, Scorponok, Snapdragon, Apeface and Fangry (Yes, he is absolutely WFC as the worlds collide 4 pack is double branded for Buzzworthy and WFC) all using the Titans Return Titanmaster setup and the weaponizers were intended to go with the pre WFC titans as evidenced by Slammer's product description mentioning the old 2013 Metroplex figure.

    Hasbro didn't so much draw a hard line in the sand between the two as some fans think. These examples give credence for mixing any Generations figure from at least the last 10 years into a collection. In fact it encourages it.
     
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    I am very easy to impress. I don't care about Faux Parts or Partsforming or necessarily "accuracy". I just care about play value. Some figures can just suck. MP-44 is way too complex. I don't like "spaghetti Transformations", where it feels like the whole figure explodes and gets rebuilt.

    And I was watching DrLockdown compare Kingdom Rodimus to the PotP Figure and SS86 Hot Rod and saw something familiar. I was looking at PotP Hot Rod (the inner robot before combining) and saw ball joints in the elbow, but hinge joints in the shoulder. This makes me think something: Is JP93 from the Jurassic Park Collaborative Figure Set with Tyrannocon Rex a Heavy Retool (to the point of only sharing certain parts) of a Power of the Primes Evolution Figure? Wait, I looked closer and he is a remold of Power of the Primes Jazz. It all clicks. Or it could be the Earthrise Datsun Mold. The Possibilities are nearly Endless.

    Anyways, I speculate that we will get more Collaborative Figures as well. For some of my ideas, one is Project Knight, a two pack featuring Autobot K.I.T.T. and Decepticon K.A.R.R. They will be the same mold, either having the Datsun Mold or a Mold similar to Earthrise Hoist. I just don't want the front lightbar to be split.

    They could even make fiction surrounding it.
     
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    Look Hasbro, if you're going to threaten employees and leakers with the threat of death by Buzzsaw, you really need to release a Buzzsaw figure.

    Edit: And an enforcer like Buzzsaw needs good intelligence operatives and backup, so he's going to need Garboil and Howlback. And if there's three, you only need one more to make it a Selects 4pk.

    Edit 2: If Covert Agent Ravage speaks with a Russian accent, I'm just gonna headcannon Howlback with the classic G.I.Joe Baroness voice.
     
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    Don't make me choose between the lives of others by releasing an army of murderous Buzzsaws and getting a step closer to finishing the 84 bots. I'm not sure I'll like where I end up. ;) 
     
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    I'm probably misunderstanding, but JP93 is an entirely new mold, it's Voyager sized and has a wildly different alt mode to both of those figures.

    Also, as cool as it would be, word from Wreckgar is that there was a proposed Knight Rider crossover, but it never came to fruition and most likely won't anytime soon. Definitely want to see more Collaboratives in general though, so I hope you're right.

    I also got the impression following the ending that there would be a Legacy show. I'd love it to be like you said, seeing Aligned, G1, BW, and hopefully UT all together would be awesome. Hopefully they get longer seasons as well, Kingdom felt a little rushed plot-wise and I know they wanted more episodes to flesh it out.
     
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    This was a Furmanism.
     
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    OK I'll go one better and share my level of enthusiasm for the new molds compared to what we got in POTP.

    The new molds win hands down on articulation.

    New molds bot modes are on par with, but not as slavish to G1 as the POTP figures.

    The Alt-mode winner is too tough to call.
    Neither the new or old molds really do the pretender concept justice.

    So it's a definite mixed bag, but I'm going to buy em all as I'm a sucker for new toys.
     
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    I personally would argue that you could see a direct evolution from 2006 Classics to 2021 Kingdom while simultaneously also seeing a cohesive aesthetic that strongly unifies WFC figures.

    Do earlier figures share some or all WFC-esque qualities? Yes and they were precursors that helped develop WFC.

    I guess, from my own opinion— yes, there are figures that fit really well into the “WFC aesthetic” but I also believe Hasbro made a conscious decision to create a very distinct look for WFC.

    Does that constitute a “hard break” from prior lines? I don’t know. I personally don’t see anything wrong in describing things as pre- or post-WFC. We understand that designs blur, overlap and evolve in this franchise.
     
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    This is kind of what I was meaning, just worded much better :) 
     
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    The problem with the "nuCHUG" and "old CHUG" besides just terrible acronyms, is that it gets to the point of being neurotic that worrying about whether "it fits" becomes more important than just enjoying the figure. It's going to get to a point where people are going to (or maybe already have) demand another 'reboot' to Generations.

    Who cares if the Seacons don't have the effect part ports? By your rules, they shouldn't even be called "nuCHUG" since the C, H, and U parts don't fit in either.

    I believe they were hired by Netflix to handle it, so I guess Netflix would be the ones to blame.
     
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    A caveat, sure. But Hasbro also wants to complete teams. One would think that, based on what else they have been saying, that Greenlight, Lancer, and Chromia for that matter, will eventually get more Sunbow-accurate molds down the line, and Battletrap will get a pure Duocon mold as well. Would the ones released not seem like temporary fixes?

    Omega Supreme also scales with the rest of the WFCT, aside from the beasts and Headmaster heads.

    Hasbro wants to unify the gimmickry so they're backwards-compatible with each other. The pointing shouldn't be towards the TM/HM compatibility as an anomaly, but the baseformer lack of compatibility.

    Would that not be to assure that those of us that invested $150+ into one TF purchase more incentive, rather than a bluring of the CHUG eras? There has been no evidence that they want to cut anything completely off, and what they've been saying hasn't hinted at that either.

    This isn't about ignoring compatibility with past stuff, it's about raising the quality of what comes after the past stuff. This is about how Hasbro is improving their handling of Pretenders(or sticking with PotP methods if they think those work). If Hasbro deems the PotP Pretender gimmick unable to jive with the "accuracy" model they have with the modern Generations line, they'll toss it out and go back to the drawing board. If they think that doing them the Titan's Return method, or close to it is better for the gimmick, they'll do that instead. We also have to consider what else they want in the purview of their new Generations parameters. What scale do they want the Pretenders to be? Etc.

    There are quite a few guesses to the method that was hinted at via leak. How many of us would be disappointed by small versions of the outer shells that scale like the Masterforce Pretender shells that don't come with inner bots? Or Core-class inner bots without any shells? Or just out-of-scale Titanmaster-sized inner bots with in-scale outer shells? They'd all fit with what the leaks have implied more or less, and each of them would also, in one way or another.

    Also, Hasbro does browse TFW, which means they have access to this. So there's that.

    There's still a lot we can speculate on, even if we don't ignore Hasbro's public plans for "nuCHUG".


    Edit: I begin typing this post before @Apollux posts new info involving "new molds' bot modes", so pardon that; the new info rounds it down a bit.