Possibility Beast Wars Movie!?(by Lorenzo di Bonaventura)

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  1. WishfulThinking

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    $200 million for a movie that's on "Alita: Battle Angel" level of animation. Cameron got it down to $170 million with tax breaks but that would probably NOT apply to Beast Wars.

    And then $250 million in marketing to remind everyone what Beast Wars was in the first place.
     
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    Man... beast wars' voice acting, dialogue, and story was all it had going for it. If they don't nail that part (and that is the most definitely the difficult part), people from both sides of the fence are going to lose it. Hopefully they figure out the new TF movie formula first before they jump into the flames. A reboot of beast wars tv show would be P chill too...
     
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    The budget for The Jungle Book was $175 million. I think a Beast Wars movie would cost a bit more than that because, not only do they have to animate the animals, they also have the robots and transformation sequences. In a time where G1 is getting a gigantic push, I would love to see a Beast Wars movie. However, I don’t really see it happening for quite awhile. It’s cool that they seem to be thinking about it, though.
     
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    Not to mention battles with big action, explosions, space ships... Sher Khan looked good for that movie, but it's not like Disney had to animate him sitting on the bridge of the Darksyde in robot mode brushing the teeth of his beast mode's fangs as he gave his monologue.
     
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    If they don’t kick out Lorenzo and replace him with some kind of Kevin Feige of Transformers, I’m afraid Beast Wars is doomed because that man can’t be trusted to adapt something so important, he messes up and it’s tarnished in pop culture forever for casual viewers and this is why I’m so scared, there’s always a catch with Hollywood . It is VITAL that we get Bob and Larry back, along with the old voice actors yet somehow I feel this is gonna get cheated.
     
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    450 Million seems like a rather wacky cost estimate to me.
    But i'd suggest they make a War For Cybertron style Prequel (like the start of the Bumblebee Movie) and keep the budget under 180 million downgrading the visuals or allowing much longer to make it as required. The if that works you've established a style that is not quite live action and not quite cartoony that is cheaper to do. Then you can do Beast Wars in that Dreamworks+ style.

    Beast Wars would essentially be a cartoon anyway since you'd have some background plates and all CGI characters. but it does beg the question if you keep the running time way under 2 hours and take a long time to make it - perhaps even employ Korean animators (or even the Irish) you really do not have to have the ludicrous budget - I think Lorenzo is budgeting that based on it being made to quickly - Cartoon Movies used to take like 4 years to make - let that happen.

    Perhaps the way to get the money is to try to make something like a 20 minute short of even a 5 minute test reel and see what you can do - heck even open it out to different CGI places and ask them to supply some specs designs.

    But That is why I think a Metal based Cybertron Prequel is a better place to start as it's a lot easier to do than a Giant Rat, A T-Rex and a Gorilla. I think they are to hung up on realism.

    I do perhaps understand why they are weary of not-quite real as a style as World of Warcraft's movie sunk like a stone and so did King Arthur and both of them were pretty stylised looking.

    Perhaps the key here is to try to develop production methods to drive costs down and then when you have done that it won't cost 450 million - just think 2007 only have a limited amount of CGI in the entire movie and was a herculean task then - where as a few movies later they are able to have the robots stand around having conversations and be on screen much more.

    Patience is the key here. I realise also Paramount has money trouble so I wouldn't as an investor feel safe chucking 450 Million at them either right now. But if they can ever make the movie cheaper they should. in another 5 years CGI will be even cheaper to do and even a low end supplier would be able to easily produce work of the quality of Transformers Prime (yeah Machima you have no excuse for sucking as much as you did) I think it's just a matter of "Give it a few more years" even if they don't make it until closer 2026.

    If they ever do make it I hope they use the original voice cast.

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    It does seem like they have done some test footage or pre-production stuff to test the viability - so now they have that they should be able to take that around and see if anyone can duplicate the work for less money or if they can split the tasks up so someone who specialises in backgrounds does that.

    You don't really have to realise an entire environment in CGI as such you can take hires photos in New Mexico, australia and africa and stick that on top of geometry and fudge it - exactly what iRobot and the Matrix Movies did. Or they could even make a vast digital set like one giant mega texture and then simply render everything into that (sort of like making a in-engine videogame cutscene).

    There seems to be dozens of possible ways to lower the costs of production here.

    I suppose you can make a 20 minute sequence of Beast Wars show something like the Transmetal 2 Driver or some other gimmick and then propell that forwards to a live action setting - it wouldn't be ideal but it might show them the interest in the setting.
     
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    Frankly, I find it much more likely that a Beast Wars film would 1) take place in the present day and have prominent human characters in it, just like all five Bay films and Bumblebee, and 2) that rather than just featuring Maximals and Predacons, that it would feature one or two more well known Autobots and/or Decepticons as a lead-in to the Maximals and Predacons. Like an Autobot and some humans discover the Maximals and Predacons on Earth and get caught up in their conflict.
     
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    “How many people knows Beast Wars?”

    Who won that prime poll? I forget.
     
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    That certainly does seem more likely, and now im wondering: at that point, do I want a beast wars movie at all?
    I always complain about TF movies having too much human involvement, but what if they make a movie with no humans and it's just terrible? I don't know what I'd do. Could i blame the execution, or do we really need some kind of human to relate to the movie about giant robot aliens?
     
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     I think the \"powers that be\" are again being overly dramatic, ignorant or both. Making a statement like, \"How many people knows Beast Wars?” says Lorenzo, is really showing how out of touch he is. Many of the kids who grew up on Beast Wars in the 90\'s now have kids of their own.
     I completely understand the cost that they believe would be attributed to a standalone movie, but there\'s no reason that a character or two couldn\'t be incorporated into the ongoing franchise to gauge interest. Since the original Beast Wars series was set on prehistoric Earth, why not start a movie with a flashback scene as was shown in Bumblebee, showcasing a few Beast Wars characters. It could be of a final battle of sorts where some go missing on Earth, only to to found years later.
     I think it would be great to have the flashback show what looks like Megatron blasting Optimus Primal to pieces over the edge of a chasm, only to find out that Optimus Primal was in stasis lock and gets reactivated by Bumblebee. That way you could introduce Beast Wars to the masses without much confusion, expand on future story lines, and introduce a new Autobot leader that doesn\'t require Optimus Prime being killed and resurrected every movie ala Bayverse.  
     
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    So Lorenzo dug a number out of his ass that he knew would get shot down by upper management and then tossed it out into the wind. Now the real question is, did he shovel that number off to the fans just to shut us up, or did he actually, in fact, pitch some ridiculous bullshit infested concept at the actual decision makers and then get it shut down just so he can stop speculating on it?

    He seems dazed and confused at the best of times, but this one really seems out there over the edge.
     
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    If a live action Beast Wars is even feasable, it might be cool to see something like the Bayverse mixed with Apocalypto or Clash of the Titans or Beowulf, some epic set in ancient civilization. Given the era, the bots themselves could be misinterpreted as figures in the mythology of the time, or take up more of a Herculean/Heraclean(?) role of larger than life demigod. Imagine [insert rowdy Maximal here] joining a hall of vikings to the feast before an epic hunt, retelling their epic adventures to men, women, and children alike, and inspiring the humans themselves to become heroes of legend.
     
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    Like animated movie where prime killed and badly damaged some bots and megatron in animated and prime died that battle

    Exactly what I have been saying years for bay movies people can accept prime as fire truck and ironhide hummer with rotating head as raft dish side kick to human kid for kicker but they can’t accept change in bay movies where iron hide is black pick up truck they wanted him be mini van in cybertron and animated megatron was jet long before bay movies where made those same complaint fans about bay movies never complained about megatron being car, flying hand, dragon, modes in cartoon series but they complain about him in live action movies get with it people it goes both ways accept changes in cartoons you can accept changes in movies

    I also have been saying that for years except you word it differently non fan of people who didn’t like transformers in 90 who never read comics and never will watch cartoons bay movies made transformers popular all over again and took those non new people who didn’t like transformers made them into transformers fans we know them in today and most of old fans can accept changes of characters in cartoons and comics but never in bay movies megatron was in transformers rid, transformers animated, energon, cybertron series no complaints megatron not hand gun that changes size in alternate mode in bay movies but he is jet and truck, and tank old fans complain look at megatron from other cartoon series not all of megatron heads are g1 looking same with bay movies but no complains about cartoons just bay movies
     
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    Kind of makes sense. I mean, that estimate may be a bit high, but it sounds like a (rough) estimate for a straight up faithful Beast Wars movie, in-line with the show. That would take a lot of effects, to the point of being mostly CGI. They might even have to go the Jungle Book route and use CGI for the environments. They can't even use prop cars, or human-only scenes. Keep in mind they're talking about photorealistic CGI, not a cartoony animated movie. Even if the estimate is high, that's an awful lot of money to pump into something that isn't as well-known as classic Transformers.

    I would guess a Beast Wars movie will happen, but it won't be until after they've established this series as profitable and well-liked. If they're smart, they could work in some hints in whatever comes next, in order to start familiarizing audiences with the idea. I'd also guess it won't be a straight up adaptation of the Beast Wars cartoon, it could take place in present day or something, so there can be human involvement, city settings, etc. Beast Wars is like Guardians of the Galaxy or something. They can't just jump into it this early on, they have to build up to it, and handle it smartly.
     
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    I really don't know if I want a Beast Wars movie. I would be far too invested in it. I fully believe there are no bad ideas, and that when reimagining a story, they should be given as much freedom to create the story they need in order to create their narrative.

    But I'm so freaking attached to the Beast Wars show as it is, I can't possibly imagine how they can redo it without just... redoing it. Transformers was never terribly character based. So many characters had nearly no speaking lines and were just on screen to sell toys. Beast Wars was *fully* character based. Changing the characters, I feel, would change the entire concept. I feel like the part of the show that was the best, most intelligent part, was the time travel plot in season 2. How do you recreate the spirit of that with the Transformers show you have now?

    But there are some truly great writers out there. I never thought I'd be looking forwards to a Detective Pikachu movie, and yet here I am. Just because I cannot imagine remaking Beast Wars in a way that works, doesn't mean some writer who is way better at being a writer than I am can't come up with it. It just means perhaps I lack the imagination. And if they could actually pull it off, and make Beast Wars cool again? Damn man. That'd be amazing.

    And shit, if they try and fail, does it ruin the old show? No, I still have it. So what am I worried about?

    Okay, nevermind guys. I talked myself into it in this post. I'm on board.
     
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    Ok here’s what you do.

    Screw live action, just animate it all in CGI.

    I mean it’s Beast Wars, one of the first full CGI shows ever, it would make sense anyways.
     
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    If only we could say that to his face with a sharp brass knuckle painted black.
     
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