POLL: Should The Last Knight Get a Sequel?

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Should "The Last Knight" get a Sequel?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. drbeakman

    drbeakman Well-Known Member

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    Besides that, it's hard to take ideas from trollish people like this seriously when they talk about their erection in one post, exclaim "good times bro" when fights break out in another, and replying flat out "No" to posts that are actually well thought out arguments
     
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  2. Jalen Frisby

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    I mean i get it, some people were unhappy with it being a cliffhanger but..what's left?
     
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    At this point, I suspect a few people in favor of this sinking ship are taking that bully-ish sibling approach of pretending to love something you hate just to bug you, like eating something gross and opening their mouth in your face like BLEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHH
     
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  4. Jalen Frisby

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    I'm kinda picking that up from some of them, Like some really want this story to go somewhere, but they realize Bee was a good film and it's time to move on, where's some will think the bayverse are better then Bee when they ain't
     
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    Where'd you get all of that from and how does it relate to my post?
     
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    Well, these people obviously do when they believed him saying there wouldn't be a reboot, so it's just turning their own argument against them.
     
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    Aside from the other reasons pointed out by others already (smaller budget, still made more money than TLK, crowded competition), the negative bias against the franchise created by a series of bad films one after the other no doubt contributed to BB making less than the first four Bay films.
     
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    Yeah true. Just like how the bad reception of TF1-5 is the only reason Bumblebee has a 90+% on Rotten Tomatoes. Even Metacritic has that film in the 60s which is just about the same score as TF2007.

    If it weren't for the bad reception of the earlier films people would most likely see BB as mediocre.

    Bro you really have a hard time understanding that your opinions aren't fact. :lol 

    No opinion is fact.
    Thanks. I disagree with all of that, but thanks anyway.

    So because you hate that I think a TLK sequel would work, I'm a bully.
    SMH
     
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  9. Dark Skull

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    And that's fine. But to add to my point though, there were people who complained how silly it was for Cybertron to show up so close to Earth in DOTM with absolutely nothing really shown of how that affected the Earth's atmosphere. I mean, I'm sure if you were to Google search what would happen if our own moon moved closer or further away, there would be some sort of consequences. Then to imagine "nothing severe enough" happening to our planet if Cybertron collided with it just to it in to a narrative for a movie? Or better yet, imagining that there'd be anything left to "preserve?" Or that there'd be enough humans alive, fit, and healthy enough to do anything? (And not dying or on their way to be dead soon?) Yeah...I can see critics on both sides (professionals and fans) pointing out how unrealistic that would be, and somehow...we humans surviving such a cataclysmic event and somehow raring to fight sentient robots who's technology far surpasses our own. And they...who in their own right, would not be as affected by Earth's changing atmosphere in such an event as we more fragile humans would. In short, they will not have nice words to say about it.

    It just won't work like you think it would. Imagination can be a wonderful thing, but it doesn't always translate well onto the screen if you're not careful about the details of the story you're trying to write up.
     
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    I still disagree with you on the realism aspect.
    For one, after I saw TLK the first time I looked up online what would happen if the moon was destroyed. At least based on what I found, nothing major would happen besides the movement of the waves would lessen and the orbit of the Earth would be slightly altered. So the moon getting fucked up in TLK wouldn't have much affect. As for Cybertron colliding with Earth, I already said that natural disasters would be in affect making things tough for the humans. I mean you could do a whole film on the effects of Cybertron colliding with Earth.
    Have two thirds of the Earth's life be wiped out from the effects. The UN blames the Transformers as usual, and TRF is put back into effect and more heavily financed. A human resistance led by Cade, Sam, Vivianne, Izzy, Epps, Lennox (dropping out of TRF) exists. Then you have the Autobots trying to rebuild Cybertron and work with the UN to separate and restore both planets who aren't willing.
    The UN is trying to preserve humanity and Earth while fighting the Transformers, yet obviously failing.
    A post apocalyptic type film. Something completely new and different. Then maybe have the Quintessions invasion teased at the end of the film, set up for TF7 as was mentioned here already. Then TF8 is Unicron.
    There are many possible directions that the sequel could go in, and anyone could think of them. But I'm not gonna go on when all of you are just so hung up on refuting me.
     
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    Oh, my mistake. I thought this was you;
     
  12. Dark Skull

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    Moon getting destroyed was nothing mentioned at all in my posts. Moon moving closer or further away, was. And from this article:

    What would happen if the Sun disappeared? | Space Facts – Astronomy, the Solar System & Outer Space | All About Space Magazine

    So that's just with the moon moving a bit closer, to say nothing of it hitting the Earth. How close was Cybertron to Earth in DOTM? IIRC, it was closer to the Earth than the moon was. Yet nothing in the movie reflected any of what reality would state would happen to the Earth.

    As far as you saying if the moon disappeared, nothing would really happen other than waves not doing anything anymore and the axis of the tilt changing? I don't think you looked hard enough or remembered much of what you read:

    What would happen if the moon suddenly disappeared?

    Since your idea for a sequel relies heavily on human being surviving an impact with another planet (more on that in a bit),


    Then there's this:

    Here's What Would Happen If an Earth-Sized Asteroid Hit Earth

    Depending on the Continuity, Cybertron can be about the same size as Saturn (which is about 9.5 times bigger than Earth), or it could be the same size as Earth, or smaller. Keep in mind, the asteroid that took out the dinosaurs and wreaked havoc on our ecology, atmosphere etc etc. How big was that? Certainly not the size of Cybertron. That asteroid would not have allowed many of us humans to survive if we were around for that. We'd have little to no food, power would probably be out..rendering our tech useless. We'd be more in survival mode than anything else, trying to forage for what little food may be left before it runs completely out. We'd be fighting against each other and killing each other for that food...forget fighting giant transforming robots! Now amplify the size of that impact by using something the size of Cybertron? That would magnify the damage to the Earth by who knows how much. As that article would say, "100 percent of the Earth is melted." But in your story...we'd survive that somehow...as if our flesh is impervious to melting. Ok. Yeah no.

    Like I said, imagination can be a wonderful thing. But given the seriousness of the one thing you want to put into the "movie" that practically starts it off is not only unrealistic, but it is also highly unbelievable. Movie studios know they can't risk throwing hundreds of millions of dollars into something that their general audience would absolutely loathe/nominate for a razzie just after leaving the theater...save for a few that might actually like it. Sorry, but no matter how you argue it...it just won't work out like you think it will. And it won't be well received. All in all, what you're arguing for is what people refer to as "delusions of grandeur."
     
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    Yup I'd like to see a sequel just to see Unicron and how that story wraps up. But it won't happen.

    Enjoyed Bumblebee's story very much, but the G1 design direction kind of made me fell out of love with the movie franchise. So whatever the future holds and how they want to continue from here, am not too invested in it. If there's another movie, I'll watch it like any other sci-fi blockbuster.

    Who knows, maybe someday they'll do something that makes me excited about Transformers again. But for now, I'll enjoy other things.
     
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    Cybertron in TLK was not hitting the Earth like an asteroid or the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs. It was slowly approaching the Earth and scrapping itself against it. So comparing Cybertron colliding with Earth to an asteroid hitting the Earth is completely irrelevant.
    As for the moon moving closer to the Earth, quoting the article "A mighty tidal bulge would be created, hitting the land and causing great flooding, with cities such as London and New York disappearing under water." that alone is perfect for the story I already laid out. Number one, that screams Michael Bay action written all over it, lol. Number two, I already mentioned natural disasters wiping out two thirds of the human population.
    FInally, the most important point, it's funny how you completely ignored the other ideas I mentioned regarding the story elements. The parts that acutally mattter apart from the sciene stuff such as the characters, the human resistance, TRF, the Autobots rebuilding their planet, Quintessa, the Quintessions, etc. You, like the majority of people in this thread, just don't want to acknowledge that there are many possible directions that the story could go following TLK's ending.
     
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    As flawed as The Last Knight was, I have to agree with this. Those tendrils or cables coming from Cybertron were more attaching themselves and scratching Earth's Earth's surface rather than going full impact.

    Yeah, The Last Knight was a heavily flawed movie, but there's hyperbole both ways. It wasn't a great movie in terms of story or character, nor was it really any worse as a movie than, say, Revenge of the Fallen. In fact, it's actually a lot like Revenge of the Fallen.

    And I'd be curious to see a The Last Knight sequel, just to see what it would actually be like, and if it would actually finish the Creators and Unicron threads in a satisfying way. It may not, but I am a firm believer that it is execution, rather than existence, that determines a film's quality, and I think that an enjoyable Transformers movie can be made in any continuity. And the later Bay movies aren't really any worse than the earlier Bay movies in their execution. Instead, it's their existence as Transformers fiction that takes place after the main early G1-inspired cast is mostly dead and without the happy, post-DotM ending fans wanted. They're not worse, just less comfortable and familiar to Bayverse and G1 fans alike, even though they're just as inspired by G1 in many aspects as the earlier films are. AoE is parts of Five Faces of Darkness, with some Animated and even Japanese G1 influence as well. The Last Knight has elements of Madman's Paradise and Dark Awakening. The human-like designs of the Autobots, Lockdown, Galvatron, and TLK Megatron are more like the G1 human-faced designs for many robots than the grey, alien, scrap metal Decepticons so many fans claimed to hate so much in the earlier films! And just like G1, the Creator/Quintesson origins appear after the Allspark/Vector Sigma origins, therefore actually resembling the original cartoon more than any other fiction! Not to mention Galvatron/Megatron are now voiced by Welker, who is who many fans wanted to voice Megatron form the get go.

    That's also why, and this is going to be an unpopular opinion, I supported, and still do support regardless of how TLK turned out, continuing the films after DotM without rebooting. With most of the Decepticons and many fan favorite Autobots dead, post-DotM movieverse was the best shot at getting some lesser used characters and concepts and status quos and go into more unique interpretations of major characters, like Optimus Prime losing his faith in humanity and being tempted to leave Earth. And whether one likes it or not, we did get some new or less famous characters, many which were actually better executed than the more iconic robots in the earlier films.

    I also don't agree with the notion that a sequel to the Bay films would never satisfy the general public, because who do the teens, twenty-somethings, and thirty-somethings associate with the Transformers movies? Shia and Megan Fox. Regardless of what Shia has said about TFs since leaving the franchise, money talks, and if Shia and Megan Fox returned in a post-TLK context, it would almost certainly bring back some interest from general audience members. That's not even my preference; I'm trying to put myself in others' shoes here.

    So yeah, I'll give any future Transformers movies a shot, regardless of continuity, BUT I'd rather see something a little more on the unique and bizarre side of things rather than some safe, nostalgic, mundane side of things, whether it's a sequel of Bumblebee, The Last Knight, or something else entirely.
     
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    No, I dont think you're a bully. I think you just wish you could be one! Referencing your genitals when you're excited on a transformers message board and using the term "bro" unironically when people start fighting based on the shit-disturbing you initiated just screams "i wish i coulda hung out with the cool kids in high school". SMH indeed

    It screams "disaster movies we've seen too much of and that got played out in the 00's". Thankfully, Bay himself is sick of it too and has no interest in continuing the mess that I no longer blame him solely for creating, and after seeing how positive his relationship with Knight was.

    It's time to grow, change, new things right? Bring on the Knightverse!
     
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    Not mentioned at any point in this: Decepticons, Unicron, and/or Megatron. Merely saying "characters" doesnt count since you specify several other groups by name, including TRF who were about as interesting as rocks, and the Quints who may or may not even be in the films because there is so little actually relevant to them.

    Is this litterally all that Transformers is? Forget the war, forget the whole idea of making Transforming even relevant to the aliens, apparently the only shit that matters is ill explained random bullshit that name drops significant lore terms but never follows up on the sequel. Trying to play things risky by exploring uncharted territory only works if the execution is good and there is an actual end point. Like, AoE is technically unresolved still given Prime went off to fight the Creators...yet at the end of TLK you know what he seems to have forgotten he's supposed to be doing? The Creators litterally do not exist beyond a name and some arm that never got explained, and that kind of vagueness is going to end poorly. For all anybody knows, the Creators are a bunch of snot eating idiots at this point who actually want nothing to do with the Cyberyronians and Lockdown simply misinterpreted their request of him, while he made up that Chessboard shit on his own. AND YOU CANT PROVE ME WRONG IN THIS ASSERTION.
     
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    As previously mentioned, it was Cybertron nearing Earth in DOTM. But even with considering Cyberton colliding with the Earth as it did, the movie itself still ignored whether or not Cybertron had it's own gravitational pull (most places I've looked will say that it does), and other effects it would have had on our atmosphere. You're ignoring science for a delusion of grandeur. It is not just a natural disaster as you so lightly put it. It would be a catastrophic event because there will be consequences to our atmosphere and life on Earth as we know it. I bolded the part where the moon was a "climate stabilizing force" for a reason. A reason that you either didn't get, or you arbitrarily ignored. I ignored the other ideas because without considering the effects of a planet sized object colliding with the Earth and the damage it would actually cause to the land/impact site (and its surrounding areas) and how the human characters would be affected, then you have nothing but pure fantasy that makes no sense. At all. Except only to you. Not everything would be hunky dory despite what TLK showed. Sure, what TLK showed was a dazzling display of CGI, but it was hardly believable considering the mountain of scientific evidence (that you seemingly are ignoring in favor of purporting a story) that states, it will not be as you would like to think.

    You can argue that "Hey this is TF! LOL @ science" all you want, but in recent years, engineers have created transforming robots. So...not so much fantasy there anymore is it? Albeit they take forever and a day to actually transform. You ignore things that would go against your story, and nitpick things out of what would actually happen to purport it. Creative licensing/liberties? Ok. If you can ignore the things that would render your story moot, then I can ignore anything you put out as ideas based upon relevance with the justifiable reasoning that without considering the overall harm it would do to the Earth, you really wouldn't have much of a story at all. In fact, you really can't have much of a story when there's a catastrophic and cataclysmic event that precludes everything else. The initial catastrophe you wanted to show would render the rest of your story irrelevant. I mean, seriously, you can imagine the state of humanity being not in the mode of survival? Just fighting giant robots? We're not going to be looking for food, getting desperate, letting our morals slip and start murdering each other for the smallest morsels of food? We're only going to be worried about this war between giant transforming robots? Our electronics would somehow magically still be working? Somehow? And this would ONLY be relevant IF the general topgraphy of the planet weren't destroyed, or affected in such ways where plant life and other animal life wouldn't be dying out (ya know...the source of our food) or immediately wiped out because a celestial body collided with our planet. And this isn't even mentioning how our climate would change. Most if not all models calculated would suggest such a catastrophic event would make our planet unlivable. So what would we be preserving? A somewhat desolate planet? We don't even have the technology available yet to "abandon" this Earth as you mentioned. Not even close. In the Bayverse continuity, we're probably decades away with it IF we had the help from the Autobots. Yet you called your story "perfect." Perfect means that it is without flaws. Your story is heavily flawed all throughout. Sorry you don't see it that way, but that's the facts.

    I can't speak for others, but the reason why I don't acknowledge it could go on is because of how the stories really don't have any consistency even with itself. The first 3 were ok, with the first one being the one I enjoyed the most. With AOE and TLK, it was nothing but a buncha WTFs. Still somewhat enjoyable, but at this point in time...it's done. There's no point in dragging something on that's just falling apart. You can disagree, and that's fine too. You can say as much as you want "how" it can continue on. But apparently, the studios...ya know...the guys and gals that make the movie, decided to disagree with you. They made BumbleBee instead. Take that for what it's worth.

    With that, I'm done with this "argument" as it were since we're only going around in circles.

    The speed of which Cybertron was attaching itself to Earth is not the issue. The fact that it was...and that it does have its own gravity is. Two celestial bodies coming at each other when they both have their own atmosphere and gravity can never end well. Especially for organic life that relies heavily on a certain stabilized climate for survival.
     
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    Keep in mind I'm not saying that there aren't issues that two planets coming together wouldn't create, and, as you mentioned earlier, obviously the gravity of Cybertron would affect the tides and what not, but I wouldn't view its affects as the same as the asteroid that killed, or helped kill, the dinosaurs.

    Furthermore, it's not established in the movie that Cybertron has a thick atmosphere like ours, because if you remember, the extremities of the planet were within our atmosphere, but the final battle took place at a couple tens of thousands of feet in elevation, and the atmosphere was thin, so it may be that Cybertron has a much, much thinner atmosphere than Earth's, if it has one at all.

    Either way, both the cartoons and the Bay movies take liberty with physics and what not, as do most disaster movies, most super hero movies, Star Wars movies, and so on. I don't think The Last Knight was really any worse than, say, Dark of the Moon in this regard. NONE of these movies are real world scientifically realistic, and there's nothing really wrong with that.
     
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    Knight himself said Bumblebee is a prequel, and until it's stated otherwise by a credible source, that's how I'm interpreting Bumblebee.
     
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