Its definitely topsin, He just has more of a beard now. Looks similar in the face to Leadfoot. Really Hard to tell if it Roadbuster or not, but there is for sure another bot there, so I assume its Roadbuster

 

Converse about wreckers changing their appearance, like every other robot has this series. But don't bring up that Cybertron had a caste system on it. Since before 07. In real time, the underlings in the caste system get told what to do and all by the higher ups, it isn't hard to believe that, given Orion Pax was ONLY a data manager before the war, he wouldn't have been told Jack about their history. And I'm pretty sure if you knew somebody all of your life, you would be more inclined to believe what they say (an older bot saying the Allspark makes us, rather than someone else saying you were built).
These plotholes are pretty easy to fill in. Just like people assuming Bee arrives in 07. That was a deleted concept that wasn't used.

 

Talking to myself in the bathroom this morning, I began to wonder about one concept from the 2nd and 3rd film: hatchlings. We see them on The Fallen's ship, and also a few in Africa with Megatron.

Given it's been established that Transformers are 'built,' are hatchlings like some non-Quintessa/Creators-made abomination, kind of the equivalent of humans trying to create artificial life against God's will?

 

I saw this post and almost forgot About the rule on here about religion... whatever.

I think the Hatchlings are created by the Transformers themselves.

 

It has an insane amount of plotholes from what I heard, how come no one noticed Unicron's horns for all these years?

Also Secret History Room, enough said.

 

Um because they started growing out of the ground... which is explicitly stated

 

Yes, but why did they start growing out right now? Why didn't anyone notice them until now? Burton says it grows X cm every year.

Also they had oppurtunity to explain everything, why Allspark came to Earth, etc. They didn't, its up to you to do that.

And how the hell didn't Fallen know that Earth was Unicron?

 

Ya who was that guy? He just showed up out of the blue and vanished as soon as TRF arrived, was he killed while Hound made an escape offscreen? I think he was only thrown in to back up the "more and more Cybertronians are arriving" line from the beginning of the movie and to create a sense of "universe" for later films, as several new Bots show up only to vanish from sight. Such as the tankbot and jetbot in the U.K. (Could those guys have retroactively been seekers?) This movie was better than AOE but man was it rife with odd little plot holes like that.

^No, it was stated that the horns grew a little bit (I think a few meters or so) a day, they only popped up once Cybertron headed towards earth.

 

I don't remember him saying that, it was some other dude saying that they're coming out of the ground at a rate of 2 meters a day I think.

There's so much that wasn't properly explained/that I missed due to shitty editing and pacing though.

 

1. Because cybertron was coming exceratung the process

2. They did explain it earthnis unicron and bringing them there

3. Why would the fallen know?

 

Burton didn't say anything like that. The guy that DID talk about the growth said 2 meters per hour

 

So does anyone know how the hell Bee got his voice back at the end?

 

Right before the new shot of the f22 shooting a missile there's a shot that was undoubtedly taken from ROTF of an f22 in the background with what seemed to be a palm tree in front. That shot is in ROTF. And there most definitely was a shot of Megatron and a submarine that was also taken from ROTF. Whenever the movie drops online I'll be able to prove this.

 

He gets a new vocal processor earlier in the film thanks to daytrader. During the fight he's probably trying to speak bet can't and probably "clears his throat" so to speak

 

A lot of these "plot holes" are just extreme nitpicking

 

He ripped out his new SIRI voice box before viciously cutting to the next scene.

 

Yeah, I mean if there was some BS like he found a new Voice Box on the Ship I would accept that but you never see that.

 

Love

 

Ok so who was piloting it when it came to them  

 

Ok, I stand corrected that it was the guy who said it. Still makes zero sense if it has been going on for God knows how long yet none have noticed it until those excavations started.

1. I must have missed it, or it isn`t even shown or explained in the movie like most of the stuff in the Secret History Room.
2. Not talking about the TLK events, I was referring to previous movies not even hinting at it.
3. Because he is one of the oldest TFs? Yet he had no idea?

Some are, but there is no denying that this movie has plot holes and especially lore inconsistencies.