Person Seriously Injured on T3 Movie Set

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by SilverOptimus, Sep 1, 2010.

  1. NotFastEnuff

    NotFastEnuff I'm a smartass...

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    You know, I've read a lot of silly rants on BS on here, but WOW.

    1. If she got paid, she was an employee. Thus, workman's comp. They (Paramount) has insurance for things like this.

    2. Everyone keeps saying "waiver" because her likeness blah blah blah. That kind of waiver and a hold liable waiver are TOTALLY different things. They have absolutely NOTHING to do with each other.

    3. She received training on the stunt and what was to happen. If she was given directions on what was going to happen and what was expected of her, she was "trained". No, she's not a stunt person, but she was an extra.

    4. She wasn't a part of the stunt. It was on the other half of the highway. She was supposed to drive near it. On a daily basis, everyone on this board is exposed to as much or more danger than what happened to this woman. She was involved in a terrible, unfortunate accident. It could have happened to anyone of us driving down the street. Basically, it resulted from a car becoming unsecured from a tow truck. It happens everyday. It just happened in this case that the car was positioned to wreak havoc when it came off, and it came off at the wrong time, scattering debris in the process.

    5. Paramount will pay for everything. They said they would from the beginning. As for the lawsuit, (as mentioned earlier) in disability suits, there are formulas used to determine the amount of her life she was "cheated" out of. It will then be calculated how much her medical bills will be, and a $ amount will be calculated. I think the suit may just be a precaution on behalf of the family to appease the hospital and rehab facility. I have no doubt she's already run up well over the $350K amount on medical bills alone. I know how expensive that kind of thing is, I worked in the industry for years.

    It was an accident. She wasn't a stunt person. I don't think negligence had anything to do with it. Quit pointing fingers and arguing about it. There's no point and it just makes the fandom look bad as a whole. We all hate that it happened. We all want the lady to recover. Pointing fingers and saying "Bay blah blah blah" is pointless. Just think, if the effort put into arguing was put into raising money for this lady, her bills would probably done be paid.
     
  2. MTME

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    ok yah I mentioned the likeness waiver blah blah blah so I guess you were partly referring to me in your BS comment. People were saying she signed nothing at all, I said that's impossible she had to have signed something, and I did mention that it depended on how the waiver was worded. and I did say SEVERAL times, that it was an accident and negligence had nothing to do with it and that she wasn't involved in the stunt. So, please make sure you separate your OPINION with your "silly rants on BS" being as that you are repeating things I said previously.
     
  3. blurr69

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    Care to elaborate a bit more on 2 ? I thought people had to sign waivers basically saying, "we cant sue you if we get hurt doing this". It should be looked at as being a privelige to be an extra in a movie, imo. As traggic as the accident is, and I do definitely feel sorry for anyone getting hurt in any situation, I dont feel like the company should be held accountable if a person knows the risks involved with what they are volunteering to do, and go the step further to even put in writing/sign that they wont seek retribution should any worst cases happen to them. Anyone presented with the opportunity has the option to walk away from it, which I myself would probably do too, as much as I would love to be involved with the movie in anyway.

    again, imo.
     
  4. Paxtin

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    It still doesn't set well with me. People can run to the defense of Bay and the movie crew all they like. From everything I've heard and read, it sounds like untrained average people were put into a dangerous situation that resulted in severe life threatening injury, due to negligence of safety. That just bothers me. Excuse me for having a fucking conscience.

    That'll be pointless since I'm not going to see it. But you can keep check if you really think it's worth it.
    To be honest, after ROTF, and the public lambasting of Bay and the people who watch his films,(Which I had been a big apologist of.) I was debating on if I really subject myself to this garbage anymore. This just makes it easier.
     
  5. General Magnus

    General Magnus Da Custodes of the Emprah

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    Soo let me get this straight, not wanting to see this movie is having a conscience.. Wow....

    Btw, I hope you donĀ“t buy more TF toys cause those toys are made in factories with bad conditions of safety.
     
  6. Rogzilla

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    Oh dear God THANK YOU! YES, logic at last!
     
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    EDIT: Or maybe I should just throw a hissy fit like a big sissy. Heh heh...heh...Eeeeeh...

    In any case, my feelings still stand with this topic. I'm personally disturbed by the gross negligence of this whole incidence, and as such I cant see me being able to bring myself to watch the film with a clear conscience. But that's just me.
     
  8. garibaldiprime

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  9. Cyber Star

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    yes for this logic!! thank you! your my new fav person in this thread :D 
     
  10. optimusprime42

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    that's why there's a waver for you to sign so you can't sue them.. just like here in cincinnati
    you lock your keys in the car you have to sign a waver if the police damages your car
    you can't sue them only way you can if you ask that's what a hamilton co cop told me
     
  11. MTME

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    You know what I hate, is something that I (yes I) have been saying in my past 3 or 4 posts and someone else repeats it and then that gets the praise as being logical? Nice...real nice.
     
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    Yes! And I totally hate it. Don't want to be a part of it anymore. Been Transformers free for the past year & I'm lovin it.
     
  13. PorkChopKB

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    I'm not bitching at you for having a conscience. You just seem to be taking it personally is all.

    All the safety training in the world wouldn't have saved her or anyone else this tragedy.
     
  14. Rogzilla

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    It wasn't just the opinion, but the way he phrased it. Also, I don't read each and every post in detail, but his got my attention. No reason to get offended.
     
  15. Draven

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    Or alternatively, you could stop overreacting.
     
  16. marshall dusty

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    pretty much sums it up as to what a majority of folks are saying. thanks for dumbing it down(nice way of course) for the rest of the folks and what not.

    people normally do sign waivers. and yes there are different kinds, such as likeness on tv and then stunt and action and possibility of an accident. (imagine bungie jumping or skydiving). I can tell you right now that, no drivers signed waivers for stunts and what not. ( i can't confirm nor deny extras who were on set who were running away from 'monsters')

    if you're serious, show me a list.

    :) 
     
  17. Regressor

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    The lawsuit is for excess of 50 000$ for each defendant. Which means that it's at least 350 000$ though the judge might determine more.

    The plaintiff's claims are:
    Paramount is responsible for the people on set and what happens to them. They also responsible for properly training and safeguarding the extras.

    Gabriela Cedillo wasn't made aware of any danger to her.

    A stunt car was being pulled by flatbed truck with a cable attached with a bracket to the rear axcle of the car. And it was "crashed" at a speed of more than 50 mph (80 kph) "by a violent pull of cable". It was going in opposite direction with Gabriela's car. She closed in to a distance of 50 feet (15 meters).

    The metal welding broke and a piece of the bracket became airborne. It was what hit Gabriela's car.

    Paramount "knew or should have known" that that performing the stunt posed a danger to people in a 50 feet radius.

    Now what does "crashing the car at a speed in excess of 50 mph by a violent pulling of the cable connection" mean?
     
  18. AutobotSkids

    AutobotSkids G1/Bay Lover

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    You do that.
     
  19. optimusprime42

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    actually she was 500' from what i read
     
  20. Regressor

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    See the file I linked to earlier.

    http://www-deadline-com.vimg.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Complaint.pdf

    She was driving in the adjacent lane.

    At first I thought the bracket was attached to the cable and it whipped back and it crashed into the car. But now I realized that a separate piece of the bracket flew out and that was what caused the incident.