Perfect Effect PE-DX-10 JETPOWER REVIVE PRIME

Discussion in 'Transformers 3rd Party Discussion' started by Cheem The Rup, Jul 15, 2018.

  1. IceLaRoq

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    Except that has nothing to do with what you stated. Here is the exact exchange:
    Not once is the character or character continuity brought up. The two of you were, quite clearly, discussing the figures. Dmarsee states that specifically: "show us the G1 and G2 Optimus Prime figures that had flames like this before 2007". RTS Prime is, factually, not a G1 or G2 Prime figure nor do any primes feature the Bay hot rod style flames previous to 2007. Again, like I stated before, this character continuity business wasn't brought up until post 739 by dragga. What both dragga and tigatron are talking about have nothing to do with what dmarsee was talking about.
     
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  2. Flapjacks

    Flapjacks Well-Known Member

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    Still arguing about the flames?
     
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  3. Dragga

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    I stand by this is all pedantic as hell. The original statement was that the flames are not exclusive to Bayverse Prime, using the 2010 Laser Prime as an example. Moving the goal posts later does not change that the original point was that the character of G1 Optimus has been depicted with those flames before, thus it shouldn't be a shock anymore to see them show up on that incarnation. It's like how G1 Ironhide has canonically been an elephant.

    Fully agreed, because it shouldn't remotely be an argument at all, that this figure is clearly movie inspired, but this debate started by saying that G1 Prime, as a whole, has been portrayed with those flames thanks to the toy in 2010. Nothing more, and there's nothing false about that statement. Splitting hairs for a "technically" result is just asinine since it ignores the starting point never once brought up that a G1 toy has had those flames (even if there's multiple cases of pre-movie toys with flames, but then we get more hair-splitting over exactly those flames) but that the character of G1 Optimus has worn them.

    This has been beyond silly. That's all I have left to say on that debate, and frankly I think we can all stop trying to out-nerd each other with such petty specifics as "but I mean the TOY not the character" especially when the original point was about the character. Let's move on.

    I like the figure, personally. Hadn't even noticed the flames missing until pointed out. I kinda like them being specific to the super mode, but that's just because it kinda adds a touch of Super Robot charm to it. Almost wish there was a head for the super mode or a head piece that could be attached, but that's purely the anime Super Robot nerd in me just wanting that inch more, haha. I want the Studio Series DoTM Optimus, but I'm honestly not interested in Jetfire despite loving the character, and the combined mode seems a bit underwhelming. This...is kinda pushing the right buttons and might tempt me to see if I can snag it somehow. (Man, for a guy who gets a lil' tired of G1 styled Optimus figures, I sure am getting tempted by a lot of G1 Optimus...es...)
     
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  4. tigatron2002

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    @metaphorge line you quoted sayiing "It's not like they've ever been confined strictly to Bayverse Optimii anyway...." specifically refers to character continuity. he doesnt specify which movie, he specifies the character of bayverse prime, so you are wrong in stating that character continuity wasnt brought up until later.
     
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  5. DracoPrimal

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    "So for now, let the battle be here, on this strange, argumentative board. And let it be called Flame Wars!" (Cue fist thrust and guitar riff)

    Somewhere this has probably already been done, but
    "Has axe? Combines with jetpack that is NOT a robot? Is red and blue? Turns into truck? Has skinny waist? This can only be Animated Optimus and anyone who says different can go to hell!"

    Some people face facts, others face alternate facts. Regardless of who is correct, it will always be hard to see what someone else sees if you won't turn the other cheek. *shrug*
     
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  6. metaphorge

    metaphorge Decepticon

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    ...I'm about to post a scale chart.

    Seriously, though, a toy can homage multiple specific sources. A clear example is the upcoming Takara Star Convoy, which references the G1 toy in both truck and cab robot modes, and (astonishingly) Star Convoy in super robot mode. In that way, it's a lot like this toy, even down to it being in large part a retool of an earlier design.

    ...and G1 Ginrai homaged G1 Convoy, which is partially how we got here, since this toy is a retool of a Ginrai cab robot toy PE made earlier.

    This isn't rocket surgery.

    I know some of you always yell not to cross the streams, but what could possibly go wrong? Egon? Anyone?

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  7. dmarsee

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    I don't remember anyone saying that a toy *can't* homage multiple specific resources. I only asked for an example of the apparently many "G1 and G2 Optimus Primes" that feature flames in this style. So far, I've only seen figures made since the BayVerse movies came out. Hence the miscommunication.

    (funny how "G1 and G2 Optimus Primes" has morphed into the platonic ideal of a single character released at any time, eh?)

    I don't think anyone in this recent conversation thread has said anything like this. In fact, I distinctly remember saying multiple times over the months that there's nothing wrong with a figure like this. People are allowed to like whatever they want.
     
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  8. metaphorge

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    The "game of telephone" got us, to a degree. My TL;DR was "why would it matter when they came out?"

    My answer to that is it would matter if we're time traveling via DeLorean, but would not if we were time traveling through the quantum realm. =D
     
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    don't have time to read all 769 prior posts(!), but when was it revealed that the trailer can transform into a separate blackbird-ish jet?!?

    i just saw some photos of the jet mode for the first time (which i don't remember being part of the initial reveal - only that the trailer could break apart into several add-on pieces for Prime's bot mode), and at first i thought it might be a separate product to be sold separately, but then i looked at the combined mode again and realized that it's likely just an alt mode for the trailer!

    i was already kinda interested in this piece (wish it didn't have flames, but they're fairly minimal and somewhat understandable given that this piece is also a bayverse homage, and at least they're not on the g1-ish truck mode), but this new discovery (for me anyway) about the jet mode makes it even cooler...! =)

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  10. Requiem Prime

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    It's for the best. Just enjoy what you enjoy and speak your mind.
     
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  11. Weezie

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    I saw this artwork by Simon Wong and it reminded me of this figure. Seems to be a G1 and movie fusion.

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    Just needs a crazy jetpack add on.
     
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  12. Requiem Prime

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    I like it. Assuming we're still doing pseudo G1 modes, the stock and barrel are perfect fodder to make one.
    If PE goes for it I hope they openly work with Wong.
     
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  13. dmarsee

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  14. Fort Max

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    Sweet, the jetpack mode is a nice surprise.
     
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  15. Mr H

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    Damn it! I’m gonna have to buy this aren’t I o_O 
     
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  16. bellpeppers

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    want < need
     
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    Awesome piece!
     
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    Not even a fan of Movie stuff, but this is badass. I hope they do a nemesis or SG repaint.
     
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    I'm always up for a 'nemesis' recolor! :) 
     
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  20. Requiem Prime

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    Very nice. I was afraid the jet didn't fully contain the trailer, but it's bigger than I kept thinking