Not villains, can just be shown as another side of war.

 

I hope that another director take the lead...

AMEN!

 

This is exactly why I wish the negativity would stop before the movie is being released. For anyone upset over the last few theatrical releases, you’re finally getting what you want. Why all the griping?

And the movies are tied into the entire brand as a whole. You like Generations? Maybe 12 bucks and two hours of your time is worth ensuring a healthy brand. And who knows, you might actually like it!

I’m a GI Joe fan as well. I’ve seen what it’s like when a brand suffers and dies. Transformers has a long way to go to get there but being upset over TLK and not going to at least see Bumblebee is going to put us on the right track.

Why can’t we be positive and support what’s to come? New director, new tone, different style of movie. In 4 weeks, let’s all go to the theater, have a great time and keep Transformers on an upwards trajectory.

 

Well it’s nice to have a dream. Tlk tanked hard enough that it almost killed a movie studio and the franchise. I don’t see them touching that with any length of pole. If there is a movie after bumblebee, I don’t see it having much connection to the bayverse if any. They’ll probably keep trying to make bumblebee a badass.

 

I love this idea! And without some crappy ending where they realize that everything they've done was wrong and go to the Autobots or something like that. Maybe they could do a fake out where Motormaster tells the Stunticons that he's going to respect them more, but then he knocks them all down. Hasbro had better be listening.

 

I’ll probaby go see it for the g1 introduction and if there is a g1 end scene I’ll stay for it, but the rest of the movie looks forgettable.

 

I disagree. I think the Prime movie is a given. But TF6 is a given because the Studio Series line is doing great. Just dont expect the huge budget. No Marky Mark. No John Cena. No home of Winston Churchill. Just plenty of awesome CGI graphics produced by Joe Schmoe for half the price but look just as real. Thats what they should have done from the beginning.

 

You can't be serious.

 

First reactiins to a small test audience indicated that its not a reboot. All G1 aspects were an afterthought.

The reactions to "Starscream" (Blitzwing) made the aspects happen. Thats why the designs on Cybertron are so different from the lead characters in the movie who look very Bayish.

My personal opinion is that I hope that the next installment has a combination where its not slavish G1 but as far as possible from Bayverse. And that the characters look, act and transform in a newer version on what that character is based on.

 

Paramount currently cannot afford to pay its stars for the next Star Trek film, neither Hemsworth nor Pine, both Chrises are out because Paramount's in such dire financial straits after a string of underperforming releases. Hopefully that vulnerability gives Hasbro more leverage to create superior films from here on out.

 

The studio series line is warming the shelves. Can’t get rid of that junk.

 

But the bumblebee movie is not a reboot, its an intro to the whole saga. Yes I admit its a bit of an experiment, but its still Bayverse directed by a handpicked Michael Bay Jr. I see them jumping out of order with prequels, sequels, and gap fillers simalar to what the star wars saga became. Thats my opinion. I think sometimes they just do movies to do them and dont care about the "numbers". Starship Troopers is the perfect example of a film the movie snobs snubbed but still got several sequels for the fans who were a small group.

 

Shelfwarming happens due to poor distribution. Here in Miami they sell like hotcakes. And no they arent crap just because you dont like the aesthetic. Cyberverse is the crap.

 

Exactly this. This has been the truth about the rest of the bayverse and people have been talking about it from the beginning. There is a fuckton of costs that are not included in the budgets and projections released to the public. One would have hopped that this fandom would have learned this, after hasbro stated a few months ago that they actually made pennies out of the supposed billions.

 

After Forces of Destiny bombed, Hasbro's response was to do the same exact line except with Marvel.

We're not really seeing much of the line here. That first wave with Berserker sat forever. I picked up Jazz because the 2007 release had so many issues and it is ridiculously tiny. Studio Series sits alongside leftover AOE and TLK product and the positively chintzy Bumblebee toys to create a blurry sea of do not want. Can you imagine if Bayformer MPs were on shelves too?

 

It's exactly as you say: it's a problem of PLOT and STORY, not "movie snobs" or bastard fandoms.  

I'm personally sickened at anyone who would turn venomous against his own brother over these stupid movies. DON'T BLAME FANS. They want a better story, more G1, whatever. But when TLK and AoE fail badly, it's not because everyone is a "snob".   Or because the fans hate it.   The real reason is because Bay keeps making the same damn movie OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER. And this isn't something a non-fan figured out - it's something I read on TFW2005! As written by a fan!   I wouldn't have noticed how bad it was (because as a non-fan, I don't pay as close attention to the details), but once pointed out... it's there. The 5 movies are virtually identical in "plot".

And I'd like to add that they're cut like absolute $H*T. The action scenes look like the camera operator had a seizure. And as the guys at South Park can tell you: if your movie is 3+ hours long, you need to learn how to edit!  

Except that Hasbro BLOWS at creating good media content!   I mean, I'd love to be corrected: point out their last successful cartoon!   They're not exactly good at it.

Worse yet? They spent how much on that Writer's Room project?   And it made how much difference to the incomprehensible plot of TLK?  

I don't know. There are reasons. In business, you often do commit a lot of time/money to a project, even if the numbers don't agree with your move. You invest the time/resources and wait patiently for a profit. That profit may take YEARS to arrive. It's quite common.

So Hasbro could be hemorrhaging badly with the 1-steps and Cyberverse and movie toys. Don't get me wrong: they will make SOME money... but the question is, "Are they recouping their costs and making a tidy profit?" Or, "Are these the best products to promote/sell, as compared to their other products?"

And the answer is, "No. They're not." Because in every recent Investor Call by Hasbro, they have admitted to declining sales in the Boys category, as led by TFs, Marvel, SW, etc. Broadly speaking, we can agree that the TF brand is in decline (as compared to 2007 or 2009) - in terms of sales numbers. If Hasbro could reveal some sales numbers, we would know. But it's a blobby mess, and there's no telling how much the SS line is helping (or hurting) matters.

However, I also notice the SS line sitting on shelves for a longer time than other lines... and I notice they get shipped more often (not necessarily replenishing shelves). A Generations peg can be empty for weeks/months; the SS line gets stocked. And the Generations pegs stay empty while the SS toys stay unsold (generally). Without a big movie, I'm not sure how stocking more movie toys will help Hasbro out. There are just more G1 fans than movie fans. If you want to talk success, you guys should remember that we just exited a G1 trilogy and entered a new G1 trilogy! No other TF line can boast getting THREE entire toy lines devoted to it from go.