Pamela Adlon in The Bumblebee Movie

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  1. ZapRowsdower

    ZapRowsdower Dissatisfied Hasbro Consumer

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    Yeah, you're right. I hadn't considered this is a non-sequel, so it could be its own thing. And I agree that the robot is more important, but...
    It's LIVE-ACTION. That means they can't afford to put in an expensive CG robot too often (low budget, too). So unless they reduce the complexity of that insane Bay-approved BB, it means we won't actually see BB as often as you might expect. Ergo, it's important to cast a little boy.

    You may say it serves no purpose, but I can tell you this: you can't name a G1 fan who adores Carly or Marissa; there are no G1 shelves with fan-made Marissa's or Carly's. Meanwhile, they include Spike and Sparkplug in MP releases: there's a reason for that.
    Given the choice of main characters, boys will gravitate to boys, girls to girls. It's just how it is. So whether or not you perceive it consciously, you need a main character that the target toy audience will relate to. A little girl is not it. Sorry.

    That's not to say I'm hating on this BB movie! I'm not! I'm just confused about how they will sell toys with a strong female cast, and no mention of any male stars? (I could have missed the male announcements, though). I think it's fine if it's a more girl-centric TF movie, but then they should consider selling more girl products: a pink/purple/teal TF and plushies! Otherwise, this feels like a merch disaster: the movie is about one thing, the toys about another! :eek:  To put it another way: When the BB movie hits theaters, the movie toys will flood shelves. If you don't want another TLK Wave 1 repaint disaster, you need to be sure boys (and not just girls) are going to see that BB movie! Some girls will still buy movie toys, yes, but the majority of girls will not go for anything war or war-like (the current style of TFs).
     
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    They had cast an actor from Spider-Man: Homecoming and the title actor of Diary of a Wimpy Kid.

    Most boys didn't watch the Sunbow cartoon because of Spike or Sparkplug. They watched because of the transformers since they where the main draw. Same for the movies. Since this movie has less robots and is most likely shorter than the other films because of the small budget, Bumblebee will be much more front and center (so different I know lol) and his screen time won't seem as small because of the movie's length.

    Besides, that was back in the 80s. More than 30 years later, times are pretty different now. Star Wars still sells boatloads of merchandise and made a billion dollars each with TFA and Rogue One despite having Rey and Jyn star in them. What will determine if the toys sell or not is if the movie is actually good and makes bank and if the toyline is not filled with expensive and crappy toys that Hasbro can't seem to distribute better for the life of them.
     
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    ZapRowsdower Dissatisfied Hasbro Consumer

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    Really good points. :thumb 

    But in my earlier statement's defense, the entire reason Spike exists is because TFs are meant for boys. YES, boys prefer the robots, but the creators of that cartoon did not know that. They threw in a boy for other boys to relate to.

    And on the subject of SW, you're not perplexed by Disney's emphasis on girl power? I don't mind female leads, but I do question using them IN PLACE OF males. :banghead:  Anyway, I'm not so sure the toys sold as well as you think: I see them on mega discount now, and Jyn, in particular, is stupid easy to find. I don't recall the prequels having as many discount toys. So did they actually sell well? What scale are we using? And how many BOYS bought those toys, as opposed to adult fans?

    Times are indeed different from the 80s - here's the important part, though: KIDS DON'T BUY TOYS ANYMORE! :lol  They play tablet games. They watch other kids play Battlefield on YouTube. Their interest in these things is passing, waning. That's why I bring up the age of SW consumers, as it's actually a vital statistic today.

    Hasbro knows this. They're desperately seeking to create that killer APP for kids to play. They're also dipping their feet in toys-to-life with the All Spark figures that just came out.

    Anyway, I think you're a little too optimistic about BB's screen time. You can shorten the movie all you like, but even Bay couldn't fit the robots in for more than what? 45 minutes total? We'll see how it turns out, but you've got to admit this much: the toy possibilities are a complete mystery. If the movie features mostly BB, what possible merch could they attach? You think they'll release some figurines of the female cast?
     
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