Official Ravage Reveal

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by ezim93, Jul 14, 2021.

  1. Lincoln Tunnel

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    I can definitely agree with that sentiment. Sorry if I was a bit much. I've just been hearing the Jetfire-> Star Saber thing since Commander Jetfire was revealed and it's frustrating when I just want the main JG1 guys to be done properly instead of half-assed.
     
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    Just a thought, but I wouldn't be entirely shocked that if we do get a ~$200 Saber & Leo set, at some point down the road Hasbro (or really, Takara) uses the same molds (maybe with less deco/cheaper hands/fewer accessories) and puts out a Commander-class version of Star Saber. There's definitely enough interest in the character, especially in Japan, to support a wider release.
     
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    So, moving onto another topic, articulation: What do you think is a requisite, what would you like to see, what would you like to see but aren't expecting, and what do you think will be cut?
     
  4. Lincoln Tunnel

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    I think that'll really come down to how complicated they make him. At some point if his base part count is too high it might not be financially viable for a retail release, even if they strip down the deco and accessories.
     
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    Doubtful, haslab projects are intended to be one and done. Any future star saber would more likely be a different mold
     
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  6. Lincoln Tunnel

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    Definitely Needs butterfly joints in the shoulders with enough range for him to do two handed sword poses. I think the biggest questions will probably be Waist and neck articulation. I'm doubtful we'll see anything as extreme as an ab rocker or crunch but the full Star Saber should have a waist swivel. Not sure if Saber will have waist rotation though.

    Neck articulation is going to come down to how faithfully they incorporate the Brain master gimmick, because if done how it is on the original and the MP he wont be able to have anything other than a neck rotation.

    I'm hoping for fully articulated hands though I could also see them going with something a bit more rigid to support his sword. Hopefully he'll have keyed palms to support his larger weapons regardless.
     
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    Yup. Besides, if you offer a HasLab as a future mainline release you “poison the well” and folks will be more hesitant to back new projects because they think they can wait and get it in the future. It would be counter productive in the long run.

    HasLabs have to literally be something that would never get offered as a mainline or even exclusive release.

    edit: Fans are fickle as it is. Don’t give them more reasons to vacillate on a decision.
     
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    Pinky toe articulation
     
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    I would say both Saber and Star Saber having Jetfire level articulation would be a good baseline. From there I would hope that Star Saber has at least his pointer finger split off from the rest of the hand even if the smaller bot doesn't.

    From there? Add a potential stretch goal to beef up the articulation. Perhaps individual fingers for Star Saber and include additional hands for the inner bot if it's not feasible to articulate fingers. Put more work in to the head/neck, maybe add some different face plates (though SS is masked and would be harder to give different expressions too).

    The only alternative would be to replace the backer goal with a funding goal and work like a traditional kickstarter. You're contributing to help a figure get made but aren't guaranteed a figure if the project is successful. Then you could offer smaller dollar tiers that come with little rewards and at some funding level you just *get* the figure.

    But then, HasLab may have crunched the numbers on that and figured it's easier to just say "If you want one, back this." So they don't have to worry about getting backers for a production run and then nobody actually buys the damn thing.

    That said I wouldn't be against HasLab pivoting to using financial goals instead of backer goals and letting people contribute smaller dollar amounts to help projects get over the hump. If you don't have $200 to throw at Saber, or simply don't want him, that's fine. But if you throw in $30 you get some exclusive Selects figure if the project gets funded.

    Take Galactus for example. You want this to get made for your fellow fan but don't personally want one. You could donate $30 to the project and if it gets funded you'll get one of the Silver Surfer figures they're teasing.
     
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    Those are great stretch goal ideas. I couldn’t come up with viable options for stretch goals. But these type of small, extra bells and whistles are enticing.
     
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    That's why they will not be smaller.
     
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    Yeah, MP Star Saber is already slightly too small as it is. Victory Saber should be coming up to like...mid chest height on Devastator when combined.
     
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    They'd probably get crucified if they based him too much on Jetfire ala Gen Selects and then still tried to crowdfund it, especially since Victory Leo would need to be done from scratch anyways. But I see what you mean. Jetfire's hand thing is kind of cool and makes for a nice quality budget compromise as opposed to fully posable hands. They'd be making this one with the previous knowledge of what worked for Jetfire and could easily borrow some ideas. Like how Siege Voyager Optimus and Studio Series 38 both rely on the back of the forearms to hold some extra plating, and some complex folded parts on the inner lower legs to fill out parts of the truck mode. Both have much of their cab fold flatly into the robot back. Etc. Very different molds and figures but clearly made around the same time by similar teams.

    They certainly love touting points of articulation on their crowdfund pages so I imagine it'll cover the basics. I think it'd be really cool if he comes with a stand of some kind to complement an elaborate flight mode. He already looks like a Gundam, might as well take it all the way and let us put him in flying poses on the shelf. With that wishlist item I would want some good leg articulation to get a flight pose, and enough of a movable head to look down the sights of a weapon at a dramatic angle.
     
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    Exactly. And I'm not super familiar with Victory so I'm sure fans could offer figures/accessories that you wouldn't normally expect but could be tossed in. Heck, the very first tier being something as simple as a strudy flight stand and the figure having support for it would be a great bonus.

    Actually, now that I think about it...depending on what kinds of costs come with articulation, one of the tiers could be improving the Brainmaster so that he's more articulated than the Prime Wars "-masters" we're used to.

    It would be nice if, regardless of the final figure's hands, he is able to hold 5mm weapons. I don't need random mount points everywhere...but it'd be nice if he had that flip out 5mm port to hold stuff that isn't his stock gun.

    Especially since he'll have a sword, and I would really really like if he can *hold* his sword instead of just pegging it or through a 5mm hole.
     
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    I fully expect the base figure to be Star Saber with their brainmaster/headmaster, with stretch goals possibly being a Victory Leo to combine with and a Jan mini-figure. I'd be really surprised if additional stretch goals were characters like Deathsaurus, or the other Brainmasters. I don't expect the main figure to be much bigger than the Titan Devastator; in fact the perfect size (for me) for a combined Victory Saber would be roughly CW Combiner-sized, to pair with a hypothetically similar-sized Leokaiser.
     
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    ...yeah anybody expecting or even hoping for something like this are beyond reality. This is a HasLab project for a single figure (with Victory Saber being the stretch). We're not funding an entire revival of the Victory line.

    That said, if this project does well enough I wouldn't count out future Victory projects. HasLab or otherwise.
     
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    If there are addition figures outside of V-Leo, I'm not expecting more than Jan, Holi, or the rest of the Rescue Team. Or Patty if we're going for the real deep cuts. It'd be nice if they could do Holi as a Micromaster that isn't horribly compromised in just about every way.
     
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  18. G.B. Blackrock

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    Standard reminder that CW Devastator is TOO BIG. It's not that anything else compared to it is too small.
     
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    Standard reminder that it's the Constructicons that are too big, and that Devastator himself is the appropriate size.
     
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    That's wrong. Devastator is the same scale as most WFCT figures(excluding Beast Wars characters and Headmaster heads). The ones out-of-scale are the "standard" Combiner Wars combiners.

    Devvy Scale.png
     
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