Official Ravage Reveal

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by ezim93, Jul 14, 2021.

  1. G.B. Blackrock

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    I haven't heard all that much suggestion that Kingdom Rhinox was "pointless," but I have heard quite a few complaints that it's inferior to the T30 version.

    That's quite a bit more damning, IMHO.
     
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    That's their reasoning for not buying it as a "replacement" for T30. That's the problem. People who have been buying toys longer than the target audience takes to grow out of the line have to treat every figure as a competition with the previous version. It's why the word "definitive" needs to be stricken from the lexicon.

    They come up with whatever excuse they need to not buy yet another version of a character they already have because if they don't then they have to deal with the FOMO.

    Meh. It's a bunch of hand wringing over his headsculpt. It's the same overreaction as people who nit pick over fist color and shoulder height.

    There's nothing wrong with Kingdom Rhinox that you need to seek out the T30 version and whatever costs come with that. And if you've already got him...congrats. You don't need to justify why you don't want to "replace him" because all you gotta say is "I've already got a Rhinox."

    I've got *both* versions because I like BW and both have pros and cons of both are worth owning two.

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    It's the same thing with Star Saber. Having the MP version is a good reason not to invest in this project. But it doesn't make the project worthless to anyone who either doesn't have one or just likes what they see when this is revealed.
     
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    Well yeah. It would make sense that they'd look at ANY version of Star Saber for inspiration (I'm sure they're probably looking at Simba too considering we've seen HasTak borrow design ideas from 3Ps before) but that doesn't make this project "unnecessary."

    And when the figure is revealed, if you like the MP more...great. Go find that instead of backing this project. And if you've already got the MP...also great. That doesn't mean people who don't have the MP are going to want to spend the entire campaign being told they're dumb for supporting this instead of seeking out the MP.

    (And you know the 3P fans are going to show up to start pushing Simba as an excuse for why the MP is acceptable and this project is not. I also wouldn't be shocked if Zeta comes in and zetas up the whole thing by teasing their own Saber/Leo, just like they did with Unicron when that started and their Raiden when that was first teased)
     
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    I love love love my MP-24, warts and all. It's easily one of the gems of my collection, but it's incredibly fragile. I've transformed it exactly once and I still haven't screwed up the courage to install the KFC kit I bought for it. It's basically a gorgeous statue.

    I'll almost certainly* back the haslab version because I'd love a full victory saber combiner with modern articulation and poseability that fits in with the CHUG/3pCHUGs I have.

    *Assuming that my wife is ok with how much it costs.
     
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    If it costs as much as an MP then yes it will be compared to the existing MP, which can still be bought today by people who couldn't get one 7 years ago. If it costs as much as the MP and is two high quality figures instead of just himself then I'm sure those comparisons will come out favorably. If it costs the same but looks just like the MP except with better joints and doesn't include Victory Leo, and is also a generations figure which should automatically put it at a cost advantage, people will ask whether it's worth the trouble. No need to accuse me of being an obnoxious fanboy when in my original post I explicitly made the case for a HasLab funded version. I said its an interesting situation and that I'm all for it. Nobody is being called dumb here except maybe me.
     
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    But that's an entirely unrelated point to my initial stance replying to a post stating it was odd that they're doing a Haslab of a Generations figure that has a MP figure. The MP figure existing doesn't really have any bearing on this Haslab project, especially since it is a Hasbro initiated project and Hasbro had 0 involvement with the MP.

    I never said anything beyond that sentiment.
     
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    This is just my two cents, but I think if we get a higher price at $250, it'll be due to the articulation and engineering required for said articulation to work with the transformation. Take for example butterfly joints. That's present on the MP Star Saber, but not present on Commander class Jetfire, who I think will be the base skeleton of how Haslab Star Saber will be founded on. There are no butterfly joints in the Commander Jetfire, so having to engineer those in might raise the cost somewhat.

    However, I think in other areas, there will be smart compromises. Take Jetfire's hand engineering, where a slot for the gun appears when the hand is closed, and disappears when open. I can easily see that being kept in Haslab's Star Saber to make it easier to hold his sword(s). Plus, the chest section of Siege Jetfire is about the same mass as MP Saber. I can't recall who took the photos with the mass measurements, but they do exist.

    Plus, I think that whatever HasLab is doing with the engineering and parts count? That's going to be where the figure shines. Not in size. I think it's kind of unnecessary to make him a Titan class when combined with Victory Leo.

    Again, just my two cents.
     
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    Titan class, no.

    But if Star Saber and Victory Leo were both somewhat smaller than MP-24/Simba then Victory Saber could be roughly the size of a modern (CW/PotP) non-titan combiner:

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    ...we don't know this. And even if it WERE the case, keep in mind that Jetfire doesn't have to house an entire Voyager+ mold in it's chest.

    I think the odds of Saber being an extensive retool (or even a Tigatron style example of similar transformation on an upsized figure) are low, but non-zero.

    That said, I'm certain it won't stop people from getting out the red circles to deem this "a repaint" and an reason to argue people should buy the MP instead.
     
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    And I agree, we do NOT know this. This is simply my conjecture, not stating any supposed "fact".
     
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    Honestly, it's not really likely in any way. Every Haslab project thus far has been unique and not based on tooling from other figures

    Takara footed the cost, not Hasbro, and despite Takara's obvious involvement this is a Hasbro initiated project. So again, it's not odd at all considering Hasbro didn't foot any of the cost for the MP Star Saber
     
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    Based on that scale chart that people frequently throw around, Saber and Leo are each about the height of King Poseidon/Piranacon...so roughly CW Combiner. Combined as Victory Saber they're about the height of Black Zarack.

    We've got a Black Zarak coming in that Selects retool of ER Scorpy. And suddenly Hasbro's decision to do that particular figure stars to make some sense.

    I'm purposefully saying "non-zero" because there is the absolute slimmest of chances that it'll borrow elements of Jetfire even if it's in the Tigatron style of "same concept, different figure."

    It's admittedly the ultimate form of hedging. Like, there's a possibility that HasTak are going to see if they can leverage HasLab as a means of funding a more extensive series of Selects figures that wouldn't be feasible to mass produce and hope for the best in terms of preorders.
     
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    Why would this be the case? Their transformations are nothing alike, and aside from both being...vague space ship things, they only have a vague passing resemblance in robot mode. Is it just because they're both tall humanoid robots?
     
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    Yeah Jetfire and Star Saber don't have enough in common to ever share a mold.
     
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    Maybe for a botcon or a special selects, but those days are long gone
     
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    Actually, the transformations between MP Star Saber (particularly the V-Star, which forms Star Saber's body) is remarkably similar to how Siege jetfire transforms. They both have legs that fold up to occupy the lower portions of their vehicle modes. Both have arms that can fold up (albeit in slightly different ways) to fold in and away. Both have chest cavities, albeit they serve the same purpose in different ways: Jetfire's chest cavity allows the arms to fold into that cavity, while Star Saber's chest cavity allows Saber to dock in.

    Look at this not from the perspective of how they transform as characters, but perhaps as toys. And think of it this way: Jetfire's profile required a large backpack with wings. Star Saber's wings, by contrast, are quite small, so the budget that would go for the backpack, now goes to the core robot.
     
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    This doesn't seem like the same purpose
     
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    They both allow things to occupy a vacant space, is what I mean.
     
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    My previous comment was referring to how the toy transforms, not the character in the anime. Having a 'Hollow Chest Cavity", Legs that become the back of the ship, and "Arms that fold away" makes them just as similar as Sunstreaker is to Runabout.

    Jetfire has arms that fold into the torso while the V-Star has arms that compress and attach to the folded/compressed legs. Jetfire has a huge backpack piece and wings on his back while the wings of the V-Star are on the legs. Their torsos being hollow serve completely different purposes mechanically. Jetfire's legs fold into themselves while Star saber's lower legs are pulled out to become parallel with the thighs and pelvis. There are just so many differences that it'd likely take more work to start with the Jetfire mold than it would to start from scratch.
     
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    Okay. Well, whatever the case will be, I hope we all just enjoy what we eventually get.
     
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